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One Piece: Building from Shit Foundations, Mid-High - High Tier Value Replacement
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The other CRT has stalled and been closed down it seems. I think it is fair to continue on with this revision, and we can address other calcs later on if we want to revisit that.
Eseseso's first summary post is probably still viable.
Eseseso's first summary post is probably still viable.
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Someone else has to make a thread about it since the main thread got closed.
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Sure, somebody could, and there are issues there that can be addressed for that too, but in the meantime I think it should be fine to prepare to revise the profiles based on the existing calcs/scaling.
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Yall acting like you can't just discuss the accepted scaling for the warship here instead of holding it out and revising 70 profiles all over again is hilarious
Just talk about it here
Just talk about it here
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If only we had a thread with the calc already in the OP
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Idk if it was accepted
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Regardless of which scaling chain is accepted, would everyone be ok with adding the following to Post-TS Sanji's Early Wano and Onigashima Raid Keys:
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@Eseseo; can you summarize the scaling chain from your earlier post with a clear list of every tier that each profile should be changed to? I've already got a rough idea & scaling diagram set up, but would like a summary so that we're on the same page.
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That too.
Some characters will need justification changes instead of just tier changes, so we'll have to identify those ones and put something suitable in place for them.
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sigh
Btw, here is a scaling value summary:
Zoan Tobiroppo tier = 30.24 gigatons
Base Tobiroppo Tier = 4.3 gigatons
Snakeman (who is 4x base Luffy) = Base Katakuri = Oven = Pedro < Perospero
Base/G2 Luffy tier = 1.89 gigatons
High 7-A (Large Mountain Level):
- Base and G2 Luffy in Fishman Island, Dressrosa, WCI, and Post-Katakuri
- Base Sanji in Fishman Island/Dressrosa
- Punk Hazard Nami
- Punk Hazard Robin
- Punk Hazard Brook
- Dressrosa Base Franky and General Franky
- Monster Point Chopper (as he scales above 1-sword Zoro who is above G2 and scales above Monet who is above Robin)
- Fishman Island Jimbei
- Vergo
- Smoker
- Punk Hazard Law
- Ceasar Clown
- Baby 5
- Sai
- Trebol
- Lao G
- Baccarat
- Ain
- Shuzo
- Bartolemeo
- Base Cavendish
- Both keys for Dressrosa Chinjao
- Surume (who upscales from Base Wadatsumi's 946 megatons due to one-shotting him)
- Golem Pica
- Lucci
- Bellamy
- Giolla's durability
- Buffalo
- Elizabello
- Gladius
- Dellinger
- Ideo
- Machvise
- Senor Pink
- Harudjin
- Base Grount (without Zoan arm
- Sabo
- Diamante
- Kyros
- Hyouzou w/ steroids
- Tashigi
- Hina
- Coby
- Brulee's durability
- Base Carrot
- Wadatsumi w/steroids
- Base Tesoro
- Burgess
Mountain level or mountain level+ (7-A or 7-A+):
- Base Hyouzou's AP (473 megatons, or 7-A)
- Although IMO since he blocked G2 and was complimented by Luffy for it, he should at least be comparable in his base to Base Luffy
- Base Wadatsumi (946 megatons, which is 7-A+)
High 7-A+ (Large Mountain Level+):
- Diable Jambe Sanji
- Hakuba
- Base Doflamingo
6-C (Island Level), as a result of Buso Doflamingo downscaling from Gear 4 Luffy:
- Gear 3 and 4 Luffy in all keys (excluding G4 Post-Udon), as well as G4 Snakeman and Dressrosa G4 Luffy's strongest attacks
- Base Luffy Post-Udon
- Beginning of Timeskip Zoro
- Dressrosa Law's AP
- Doflamingo in all keys except Base
- Perospero
- Oven
- Daifuku
- Base Hawkins
- Vinsmoke Judge
- Vinsmoke Reiju
- Vinsmoke Ichiji
- Vinsmoke Niji
- Vinsmoke Yonji
- Pedro
- Tamago
- Sulong Carrot
- Base Tobiroppo
- Zoan Tobiroppo
- WCI and Early Wano Sanji
- Wano Nami
- Wano Usopp
- Wano Franky
- Wano Robin
- Katakuri in all keys
- Cracker and Cracker Soldiers
- Smoothie
- Capone Bege
- Grount's Zoan Arm
- Issho
- Dice (give him a profile)
- Tesoro's Giant Golem
- Base Pica
Above 6-C:
- Tesoro's Golden Wrath of God scales to double Kong Gatling, so it'd be 8x G3 aka 60.59 gigatons (6-C+). Gold Splash could honestly just go back to scaling to its own 25 gigaton calc.
- Post-Kata G4 Strongest attacks scale to 4x G3, so 121.18 gigatons (High 6-C)
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Thanks. Not touching any other scaling here, so I think we're probably fine to go ahead with the changes.
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I can start working through applying them tomorrow. @Arc7Kuroi is also welcome to start making adjustements based on this thread if he wishes. (Remember to link to the CRT)
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As long as I don’t have to change justifications lol, but I can update tiers of characters as long as their key is made obvious in eseseso’s post
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@Eseseso ive got a question, why is it being proposed that Doffy stomped Diable Jambe Sanji?
From the scans I’ve seen, here and here, Sanji makes Doffy strain and go on the defensive with Diable Jambe. Doffy even concedes that Sanji’s Diable Jambe is tough and powerful. I feel like saying Doffy stomped Sanji is wanking Doffy/downplaying Sanji. Thoughts?
From the scans I’ve seen, here and here, Sanji makes Doffy strain and go on the defensive with Diable Jambe. Doffy even concedes that Sanji’s Diable Jambe is tough and powerful. I feel like saying Doffy stomped Sanji is wanking Doffy/downplaying Sanji. Thoughts?
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Good question, but he was completely unaffected by DJ's attacks and casually matched them with no issue.
Also, he still scales far above Luffy's G2 Bazooka, which would be 2x his 1.89 gigaton normal G2
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Doflamingo's performance against Sanji puts him as superior to him, but not to the point of upscaling, I think.
His one attack that actually landed on Sanji was quickly recovered from, and he still had to block Sanji's hits so he wasn't completely unphased by them.
I think Doflamingo should be bumped down to High 7-A+.
His one attack that actually landed on Sanji was quickly recovered from, and he still had to block Sanji's hits so he wasn't completely unphased by them.
I think Doflamingo should be bumped down to High 7-A+.
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He should still upscale from being far above G2nd's Eagle Bazooka.
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Can you send that scan
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Plus Sanji wasn't using armament there, tbf. I don't think he could beat Doflamingo but I don't know if Doflamingo could put him down. Actually maybe Sanji could defeat him or tie with him actually, but it'd obviously be considerably harder than how Luffy defeated him
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Ask @KingTempest , he'd know more.
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He was sent flying by Luffy's Eagle Bazooka. Weaker attacks than Luffy's Eagle Bazooka were able to cause Doflamingo to bleed, so I wouldn't use this one feat to upscale Doflamingo above 2x Gear 2 Luffy.
Doflamingo also felt the need to use Haki to defend himself from Gear 2 Luffy's attacks.
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He’s told me he’s down with this verse for the time being lol
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Isn't he calling it ticklish on that same page...? It's obvious his dura should upscale from eagle bazooka. There's no haki there either, it's just the blood from gamma knife on his chest
And getting sent flying is either an LS thing or doflamingo allowing himself to get sent flying just for kicks. Basically nothing on that page hints he took damage, including his own words directly denying that too
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Misunderstood sumn nvm
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I'll get back to this tomorrow, but I think there's consistency issues with that. Will come back with more scans.
Can we at least agree that Doflamingo isn't upscaling off Sanji anymore?
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That's from Luffy's hands. It's a speed sfx. The next panel shows no haki, and the only ink there is blood.
What Sanji? Didn't he block DJ with a non haki'd up leg?
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Blocking an attack =/= Stomping.
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I agree he doesn't UPSCALE from DJ. (Wherever that is in the chain) but he should upscale from x2 base Luffy-- or whatever eagle Bazooka's considered, be it base or G2.
He calls one strong and the other ticklish, so if DJ Sanji's below eagle bazooka it might need a bump up too.
He calls one strong and the other ticklish, so if DJ Sanji's below eagle bazooka it might need a bump up too.
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Perfection
Is the string scaling still valid, or are we relying solely on multipliers again?
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