One Piece: Pica destroying the Royal Plateau Recalculation

[KingTempest]

Cin calced both methods, and said himself that "The Low End seems consistent with the next feat, but either of these can be used."

So Fragmentation was clearly a valid method.

No, because Frag was consistent with his values for every other calculation. And lowballing a calc because its consistent and ignoring context is just incorrect.

The calc just got its result divided by 4, you still wanna say "consistent with the next feat" when it's 1/6th the next feat Cin calced?

 

[Damage3245]

The calc just got its result divided by 4, you still wanna say "consistent with the next feat" when it's 1/6th the next feat Cin calced?

The relevant part of the quote isn't the "It's consistent" part but the "Either of these can be used".

And lowballing a calc because its consistent and ignoring context is just incorrect.

I agree. I don't think I'm ignoring context here though; fragmentation would also reduce it to rubble.

 

[KingTempest]

The relevant part of the quote isn't the "It's consistent" part but the "Either of these can be used".

That's Cin who said either of them can be used, I'm Tempest.

Fragmentation is a needless irrelevant useless lowball.

I agree. I don't think I'm ignoring context here though; fragmentation would also reduce it to rubble.

Fragmentation isn't rubble.

Google rubble, it's all minimum violent frag.

If he said "turn the plateau to pieces" or "destroyed the plateau" with no context, I could see your point.
Rubble and fragmentation are 2 completely ridiculously different things.

That's like having a statement that says an ability atomizes what it touches, but it's a heat based attack, and the calcer says "either one can be used", and now we support that over the one with a statement of Atomization

 

[Damage3245]

That's Cin who said either of them can be used, I'm Tempest.

This comes across as snarky... I know who you are dude.

My point in quoting Cin was to make it clear that the method in the original calculation was just fine to use. I wasn't saying this is what you said.

Fragmentation isn't rubble.

There is nothing here about Fragmentation not being applicable to rubble:

"Fragmentation: Applied when the matter that was destroyed was turned into fairly large and distinguishable pieces. The value is 8 joules per Cubic centimeter (j/cc). "

Fragmentation is a needless irrelevant useless lowball.

Okay, thanks for the input. I'll see what other Calc Group Members have to say though.

 

[Therefir]

Smash could very well mean "to break to pieces from a blow or collision", so I'm not sure what implies the use of violent fragmentation over normal frag, the latter seems safer to me.

 

[KingTempest]

Smash could very well mean "to break to pieces from a blow or collision", so I'm not sure what implies the use of violent fragmentation over normal frag, the latter seems safer to me.

It verbatim says "One solid punch from him could smash that entire royal plateau to rubble".

I understand smash regularly, but to rubble implies more than regular frag

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I am fine with violent fragmentation TBH

 

[Therefir]

It verbatim says "One solid punch from him could smash that entire royal plateau to rubble".

I understand smash regularly, but to rubble implies more than regular frag

Rubble is just the piles of broken stone and the like. Their size is irrelevant, as it's not referring to individual fragments and how big they are.

 

[KingTempest]

Rubble is just the piles of broken stone and the like. Their size is irrelevant, as it's not referring to individual fragments and how big they are.

Turning a big rock structure like this into one of these is the same as fragmenting?

 

[Damage3245]

Turning a big rock structure like this into one of these is the same as fragmenting?

Except it isn't proven that the pieces left over will be the same size as the image you've provided.

So I don't see a solid reason for why violent fragmentation has to be used over fragmentation.

As Therefir just said; Zoro isn't referring to the size of individual fragments anywhere.

 

[Therefir]

Turning a big rock structure like this into one of these is the same as fragmenting?

Well, the way we use violent fragmentation has never made much sense to me, if the fragments that remain are small in comparison to the destroyed structure, we use violent fragmentation even if said fragments are larger than a person.

I prefer to use fragmentation as we have no idea how the structure would be destroyed and how big the remaining fragments would be, rubble can come in all sizes as long as it has been part of the structure before.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I first used frag because I don't see a reason to use violent frag for a feat that never happened in the first place, and I still don't see a reason to use it.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Can someone get cin here? I think he should explain it

 

[Darkvie123]

So dissapointed about the "High 6-C" downgrade for BB and WB when theres literally a Country level calc

 

[Damage3245]

So dissapointed about the "High 6-C" downgrade for BB and WB when theres literally a Country level calc

That has nothing to do with this thread.

Derailing comments will be deleted.

 

[Darkvie123]

That has nothing to do with this thread.

Derailing comments will be deleted.

Wheres the thread that you downgraded the verse?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Wheres the thread that you downgraded the verse?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-earthquake-calculations-disucssion-calc-group-member-only.122688/

 

[Damage3245]

From what I can tell the general consensus is to go ahead with the new version of the calculation, so I will be putting a CRT together to see how the characters affected by this need to be updated.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

From what I can tell the general consensus is to go ahead with the new version of the calculation, so I will be putting a CRT together to see how the characters affected by this need to be updated.

Eh, we haven't heard anything from Cin, yet why so hasty?

 

[Damage3245]

Eh, we haven't heard anything from Cin, yet why so hasty?

Not being hasty, I just don't want it to drag on.

@CinCameron20; do you have anything to comment on for the old calc?

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Wait for what cin has to say..

 

[CinCameron20]

Like I said in another thread, I don't particularly care for the CRTs anymore. You guys can proceed with whatever has been accepted. Unfollowing

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

 

[KingTempest]

2 CGM say frag, 1 CGM says V frag

Obviously Mitch is outvoted

So what needs to happen?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Damage will post the scaling.

 

[KingTempest]

Any reason for this to still be open? Or I can close it

 

[Damage3245]

I'll close this thread now and post the CRT soon.