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Berserk: Recalcing The Dragon Slayer - CALC ACCEPTED

You linked that. It wasn't accepted to be implemented.

And the worst part is... So what? Even if what was, who gives a shit, it's Muzan's own feat, why wouldn't he scale? Of course I'd argue it's an outlier, but i don't really gotta do anything because the profiles don't scale to that.
You just loving moving the goal posts don't you.
I pray you realize you are, at the moment, bitching about a Demon slayer calc that isn't even accepted, because your 7-C zerk calc only scales to one dude through nobody's fault but the manga's itself, while whining and acting like a victim.

Are you not self-aware? You realize how pathetic this looks right?

And no, not moving the goal posts, i said what i said, shit is just how it works, I don't give a **** either way, but whataboutisms, especially one's youre ignorant about and don't actually know the details to, isn't an argument, evidence, or anything, it's just kind of obnoxious really.

Now, instead of continuing this pathetic display, how about you go find a legit method to get Guts higher instead of whining about how everyone hates super popular verse and is out to get it because uh...?
 
I pray you realize you are, at the moment, bitching about a Demon slayer calc that isn't even accepted, because your 7-C zerk calc only scales to one dude through nobody's fault but the manga's itself, while whining and acting like a victim.

Are you not self-aware? You realize how pathetic this looks right?

And no, not moving the goal posts, i said what i said, shit is just how it works, I don't give a **** either way, but whataboutisms, especially one's youre ignorant about and don't actually know the details to, isn't an argument, evidence, or anything, it's just kind of obnoxious really.

Now, instead of continuing this pathetic display, how about you go find a legit method to get Guts higher instead of whining about how everyone hates super popular verse and is out to get it because uh...?
Wow you are condescending. If anyone is acting pathetic, its you. You think smugness and labels somehow avoid good arguement. I give you two examples of bad calcs, and you say that isn't a problem after arguing for a page this wiki is about accuracy.
 
Wow you are condescending. If anyone is acting pathetic, its you. You think smugness and labels somehow avoid good arguement. I give you two examples of bad calcs, and you say that isn't a problem after arguing for a page this wiki is about accuracy.
I don't give a shit. Your thread is bad, the scaling is bad, the very fact you think anyone gives a shit about what other verses do isn't a factor. They can be bad, dogshit, that doesn't make yours ok. The fact you think otherwise is an active detriment to this wiki.

Stop being a nuisance. And arguing? I'm not arguing with you, I'm straight up telling you how this works, to grow up, stop whining, and if you want it so bad, stop wasting everyone's time and to find a legit method of scaling instead of whining Freeza blows up a planet so he's at least 5-B and that isn't fair because Guts doesn't have a feat like that. Except worse, because every example you gave bar Claymore, isn't even scaled to where you're yapping about.

If you do not like this, hate to break it to you, but then this place isn't for you.
 
I don't give a shit. Your thread is bad, the scaling is bad, the very fact you think anyone gives a shit about what other verses do isn't a factor. They can be bad, dogshit, that doesn't make yours ok. The fact you think otherwise is an active detriment to this wiki.
But your okay with it despite arguing that you want accuracy. Hypocrisy much?
Stop being a nuisance. And arguing? I'm not arguing with you, I'm straight up telling you how this works,
In a poorily, contradictory way where you say you are for the accuracy of calcs but then ignore poor calcs because it dunks you arguement.
instead of whining Freeza blows up a planet so he's at least 5-B and that isn't fair because Guts doesn't have a feat like that.
I've never said this. You are now putting words in my mouth.
Except worse, because every example you gave bar Claymore, isn't even scaled to where you're yapping about.
I was talking about how it was frustrating that bad calcs get approved by mods because they favor the verse. You are arguing that I want to goon the verse, despite never saying so. You are making a strawman and beating that strawman. Congratulations on being so smug that you ignored my entire point.
If you do not like this, hate to break it to you, but then this place isn't for you.
It isn't for you either because you are fine with bad calcs being approved as long as it doesn't affect. you despite arguing otherwise for how long now?
 
But your okay with it despite arguing that you want accuracy. Hypocrisy much?
I'm not ok with it, i'm just not ignorant enough to pretend like I know all the details and caveats of another verse I'm not knowledgable on, there's probably shit that says it's ok, or maybe there's shit that says it isn't ok and that's why they aren't used. But every example you've gave is a whataboutism accusing mods of bias and favoritism, yet literally all but one example was said out of complete ignorance and is objectively false anyhow.

If they're wanked, they shouldn't be. That doesn't mean shit here though.
In a poorily, contradictory way where you say you are for the accuracy of calcs but then ignore poor calcs because it dunks you arguement.
This isn't an argument, I'm telling you yours doesn't work, it doesn't scale, grow up, stop complaining.
I've never said this. You are now putting words in my mouth.
That is all your yapping has amounted to, it's no different. That is your argument.
I was talking about how it was frustrating that bad calcs get approved by mods because they favor the verse.
That isn't even true. Hell your calc IS LITERALLY APPROVED. Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand there's a difference between a calc being accepted by a CGM, and a calc being implemented for scaling.
You are arguing that I want to goon the verse, despite never saying so.
You don't need to say if that is straight up what's happening.
You are making a strawman and beating that strawman. Congratulations on being so smug that you ignored my entire point.
Your entire point is bad and shouldn't even be a point of contention. Other verses isn't Zerk, if you don't like what other verses do or you think it's wanked, make a CRT about it.
Other verses being wanked, ignoring how half your examples were completele ignorance and not even true, would not effect whether or not your CRT gets accepted in the end regardless.
It isn't for you either because you are fine with bad calcs being approved as long as it doesn't affect. you.
Calcs being approved, and calcs being implemented are two very different things.
A calc can be approved because the math is right, but fail to hold up when implemented due to scaling, context, and details that isn't on the CGM to factor in. That is what a CRT is for, it's why you need to make a CRT to get a calc ACCEPTED even AFTER a CGM goes "this looks ok".

And, again, who gives a shit, I could be the most hypocritical baised ************ on the forum, and it wouldn't make your scaling any more or less valid.

So, again, stop your whining, and go make an actual use of both our time, continuing and I'll get one of the apparently biased and targeted mods.
 
That is all your yapping has amounted to, it's no different. That is your argument.
Ignore the arguement to win. I guess I can just ignore yours as well.
That isn't even true. Hell your calc IS LITERALLY APPROVED.
It isn't. Do you have proof of this?
And, again, who gives a shit, I could be the most hypocritical baised ************ on the forum,
Thanks for admitting it.
and it wouldn't make your scaling any more or less valid.
I've stated my chain scaling. You said nuh-uh despite ignoring the fact the electricity is clearly magically enhanced.
So, again, stop your whining, and go make an actual use of both our time, continuing and I'll get one of the apparently biased and targeted mods.
You go on forum that is about debating scaling, and you are going to call a mod because we are debating scaling. You are shootng your own foot at this point.
 
Ignore the arguement to win. I guess I can just ignore yours as well.
Dude, this isn't an argument, there's nothing to argue here.
It isn't. Do you have proof of this?
Wait, you've been arguing this whole time over a calc you didn't even get eval'd?

Jesus Christ dude 🗿
Thanks for admitting it.
"could", is not "is". Grow up.
I've stated my chain scaling. You said nuh-uh despite ignoring the fact the electricity is clearly magically enhanced.
You gave no proof. No statements. Merely stated something as fact without evidence. Ignored how the very wiki you're doesn't treat eletrical, freezing, or heat attacks being tanked as durability without exponentially more proof and a UES that enables such things, hence the MGS downgrade. And it being magically enhanced is even worse off as the logistics of actual lightning become subjetc to scrutiny, potentially invalidating half of why it's even a decent attack in the first place. As an fyi, we don't accept magical lightning as lightning speed without proof, I'd really suggest not going down that route.

Your scaling chain is bad, it lacks both evidence and even reason to scale it in the first place. And like, newsflash, I've read the manga, in detail, multiple times, I know Guts never interacts with Daiba's feat in a way that'd enable scaling, let's not pretend otherwise now.

This isn't me going nuh-uh, that's just how it works. Don't like, go blame whatever god you pray to for making physics fucky.
You go on forum that is about debating scaling, and you are going to call a mod because we are debating scaling. You are shootng your own foot at this point.
This isn't a debate. It's you throwing a fit because your scaling doesn't work, and then pointing the finger at other verses solely out of ignorance.

That isn't debating, it's just being obnoxious. So yes, again, I will go grab a thread mod, a few even, they can tell you how this shit works and to knock it off with the whining.
 
Wait, you've been arguing this whole time over a calc you didn't even get eval'd?

Jesus Christ dude 🗿
Its in the process. You can read the comments. Its currently stalled
This isn't a debate. It's you throwing a fit because your scaling doesn't work, and then pointing the finger at other verses solely out of ignorance.
That isn't debating, it's just being obnoxious. So yes, again, I will go grab a thread mod, a few even, they can tell you how this shit works and to knock it off with the whining.
Go ahead. You look just as bad.
 
No it means literally fix the calc, once you fix the calc it will be accepted because the problems preventing it from being accepted are no longer present 🗿
I mean the Calc Group Member just dipped.
I didn't say banned, but warned to knock that shit off? Lil different.
It doesn't change the fact tha you are angry over an argument on a site known for arguments. You can hide behind semantics, but the fact you are having a meltdown over this is absurd.
 
I mean the Calc Group Member just dipped.
And yet you haven't fixed the calc? Fix it, DM, problem solved.
It doesn't change the fact tha you are angry over an argument on a site known for arguments. You can hide behind semantics, but the fact you are having a meltdown over this is absurd.
I'm not the dude complaining about other verses out of ignorance because this specific case doesn't work and acting like everyone is out to get omega popular verse 🗿

I mean to be blunt, I think you're annoying, obnoxious, and this has been just a waste of time. Unfortunate as it might be, I actually like Berserk, thus, want it to be indexed properly. You are not doing so, and are throwing a fit because I said otherwise, and than acting like it's some targeted witch hunt. It isn't, shit ain't that serious, whining about it won't help your case, getting on everyone's nerves and acting like a victim, isn't gonna help your case. Big Number ain't the goal, accuracy is, if you don't like other verses, make a CRT, whataboutisms that don't even apply isn't an argument.

This is my last reply to you untill you actually solve the shit that's wrong, your actively detrimental behaviour is far to much of a nuisance to keep this up.
 
And yet you haven't fixed the calc? Fix it, DM, problem solved.
I don't know what to fix. The other guy isn't a calc member he just random dude who found my calc.
Unfortunate as it might be, I actually like Berserk, thus, want it to be indexed properly. You are not doing so, and are throwing a fit because I said otherwise,
I complained that the site hates Berserk. You are the one throwing a temper tantrum over someone disagreeing with you.
and than acting like it's some targeted witch hunt.
I never said this. I said I think the site is biased against Berserk because it seems easy for other verse to gets calcs approved. CRT's be damned.
Big Number ain't the goal, accuracy is, if you don't like other verses, make a CRT, whataboutisms that don't even apply isn't an argument.
You have literally stated that you don't care about accuracy.
This is my last reply to you untill you actually solve the shit that's wrong, your actively detrimental behaviour is far to much of a nuisance to keep this up.
You have been insulting and condescending. You threw a temper tantrum because I disagreed with you. Now, I'm telling you to grow up and stop complaining.
 
You have literally stated that you don't care about accuracy.
wild thing to say to this specific person in particular...
anyways Chariot is right here, we don't use whataboutisms just because X verse got away with some wrong thing doesn't mean you do it too. You're free to make a CRT on whatever accepted calcs you find that are used that break certain rules if ya even find any like that but you don't do what those same bad calcs do just because those few somehow slipped past.

I accepted the weight but the KE portion simply isn't valid here
 
What about LS?
KE and LS are hand to hand if one doesn't work then the other wouldn't either. Say I pushed something at FTL speeds, we wouldn't accept that because FTL KE is invalid because moving anything with mass at the SoL or above requires infinite energy and breaks the KE equation at speeds over like 0.93c or so any KE and LS derived from it wouldn't work. the same principal kinda applies here as in the context of the "feats" there is no actual KE feat happening and the point of the scan isn't to show high speed KE of the sword and it causing any kind of destruction or focusing even on the force needed to move the sword at such high speeds.

If the scene was something similar to something like this, this, or this in context then I'd say sure its valid but in this case I wouldn't say so
 
KE and LS are hand to hand if one doesn't work then the other wouldn't either. Say I pushed something at FTL speeds, we wouldn't accept that because FTL KE is invalid because moving anything with mass at the SoL or above requires infinite energy and breaks the KE equation at speeds over like 0.93c or so any KE and LS derived from it wouldn't work. the same principal kinda applies here as in the context of the "feats" there is no actual KE feat happening and the point of the scan isn't to show high speed KE of the sword and it causing any kind of destruction or focusing even on the force needed to move the sword at such high speeds.

If the scene was something similar to something like this, this, or this in context then I'd say sure its valid but in this case I wouldn't say so
Sorry for any inconvenience.
What made you accept this calculation?

The KE...
 
Sorry for any inconvenience.
What made you accept this calculation?

The KE...
Not Dale but I can tell you why straightup. Context matters.

For KE to be used it must
1. Not be contradicted by collateral damage (Every Guts KE calc falls under this, at least one's that have been calced). Using Guts as an example, if he swings his sword at mach 1000, and it hits the ground, and the KE gets idk 7-C but the damage caused is like 9-A or 8-C. KE becomes invalid, the destruction caused by something takes precedence making the feat just 9-A or 8-C or whatever. (Or well, a lil discrepency is fine, it just can't be so blatant that it makes the scene obvious in that KE wasn't intended to be used).
2. Context. If a scene isn't focusing on how speed equates to a stronger force, and instead is focusing on something completely different, for example Guts again, the lightning feat isn't focusing on "wow he's so strong" or "wow KE", it's focusing on his ingenuity to block the lightning, the KE isn't even a factor, and in that same scene the damage caused by alleged 7-C KE is like, idk 9-B? Shit's ******.

Idk the exact context but with Quicksilver I'd presume his KE isn't actively contradicted by blatantly discrepency in what it actually does, or the movie or lore yaps about how his attacks entail KE and the quicker he goes, yadda yadda. But it's this type of shit

Guts actually does have scenes in the manga where KE can be calced, but they wouldn't really upgrade anything.
 
Not Dale but I can tell you why straightup. Context matters.

For KE to be used it must
1. Not be contradicted by collateral damage (Every Guts KE calc falls under this, at least one's that have been calced). Using Guts as an example, if he swings his sword at mach 1000, and it hits the ground, and the KE gets idk 7-C but the damage caused is like 9-A or 8-C. KE becomes invalid, the destruction caused by something takes precedence making the feat just 9-A or 8-C or whatever. (Or well, a lil discrepency is fine, it just can't be so blatant that it makes the scene obvious in that KE wasn't intended to be used).
2. Context. If a scene isn't focusing on how speed equates to a stronger force, and instead is focusing on something completely different, for example Guts again, the lightning feat isn't focusing on "wow he's so strong" or "wow KE", it's focusing on his ingenuity to block the lightning, the KE isn't even a factor, and in that same scene the damage caused by alleged 7-C KE is like, idk 9-B? Shit's ******.

Idk the exact context but with Quicksilver I'd presume his KE isn't actively contradicted by blatantly discrepency in what it actually does, or the movie or lore yaps about how his attacks entail KE and the quicker he goes, yadda yadda. But it's this type of shit

Guts actually does have scenes in the manga where KE can be calced, but they wouldn't really upgrade anything.
Yup this in a nutshell, Quicksilver and Flash or really any speedster usually always have statements directly regarding the KE they generate via speed for their attacks so your example especially doesn't work @xaro

Especially when in the context of the scene they are focusing on the speed = power portion of it lol
 
Not Dale but I can tell you why straightup. Context matters.

For KE to be used it must
1. Not be contradicted by collateral damage (Every Guts KE calc falls under this, at least one's that have been calced). Using Guts as an example, if he swings his sword at mach 1000, and it hits the ground, and the KE gets idk 7-C but the damage caused is like 9-A or 8-C. KE becomes invalid, the destruction caused by something takes precedence making the feat just 9-A or 8-C or whatever. (Or well, a lil discrepency is fine, it just can't be so blatant that it makes the scene obvious in that KE wasn't intended to be used).
2. Context. If a scene isn't focusing on how speed equates to a stronger force, and instead is focusing on something completely different, for example Guts again, the lightning feat isn't focusing on "wow he's so strong" or "wow KE", it's focusing on his ingenuity to block the lightning, the KE isn't even a factor, and in that same scene the damage caused by alleged 7-C KE is like, idk 9-B? Shit's ******.

Idk the exact context but with Quicksilver I'd presume his KE isn't actively contradicted by blatantly discrepency in what it actually does, or the movie or lore yaps about how his attacks entail KE and the quicker he goes, yadda yadda. But it's this type of shit

Guts actually does have scenes in the manga where KE can be calced, but they wouldn't really upgrade anything.
We have slight claims that Guts' speed may be equivalent to KE...

But... What would actually be needed for this? Just statements? Or deeds?

Is KE equal to destruction?

In chapters 256-258 we have a fight between Serpico and Guts.



Could this help?
 
We have slight claims that Guts' speed may be equivalent to KE...

But... What would actually be needed for this? Just statements? Or deeds?

Is KE equal to destruction?

In chapters 256-258 we have a fight between Serpico and Guts.



Could this help?

Not really cause its not in the context oof the lightning scene it just wouldn't be used there when KE and force via speed wasn't the emphasis and/or no destruction came of it
 
We have slight claims that Guts' speed may be equivalent to KE...

But... What would actually be needed for this? Just statements? Or deeds?
Both.
Is KE equal to destruction?
KE doesn't need to have destruction, but destruction must not contradict KE.

Like, Guts shoving his sword into the boat at mach whatever the ****. The calc blog calced that at like 8-A or 7-C or whatever, yet the scene itself shows such blatant contradictory evidence, with the stab only doing like 9-B damage. That isn't ok, it invalidates the KE. The boat should have been blown to shit. Literally would have been better off not doing ANY destruction or stabbing, at least then it wouldn't outright disprove the KE, which tbh is usually what you want, the scene to just not hit the ground or something at all as to not contradict the KE.

Of course some cases the destruction IS close enough to the KE where we can handwave it (like nobody is gonna give a shit if the destruction is 8-A but the KE is 7-C, like, it's close enough to handwave), and in some cases the destruction EXCEEDS the KE so, ya know.

It's like if a mach 10000 cannonball with calced 7-A KE hit a wall, and like, made a small dent and stopped. That shit is OBVIOUSLY not 7-A, calc or not, what it does flatout contradicts it.
In chapters 256-258 we have a fight between Serpico and Guts.



Could this help?

You could prob calc KE there. As said, there's instances where KE can be calced for Guts, but none would really be that good. Like against Rosine I think there's a decent example, maybe a few more. But none would even get 8-A, let alone above that, probably some 8-C or above ones tho but that's obviously just bit stuff.
 
He tanks Ganishka's lightning. Ganishka being able to no diff Daiba.
Daiba withstood a lightning strike from Ganishka and this is even on his page...

Literally isn't accepted, it's why they're High 8-C still 🗿
Doma is 8-B, and we fought hard to at least get him to that level, at least in AP.

Nakime achieved a minimum 8-B feat, with a possible recalculation coming...

It's time-consuming, requires evidence and a lot of analysis, we're looking for some more achievements and waiting for the excitement to find consistent achievements.

If not, as mentioned, we will declare it as an Outlier, or perhaps, it is just miscalculated and the yield is lower.

I also believe that the same should happen with Berserk, new chapters will come, who knows Guts will receive an upgrade beyond 7-C.

Sometimes I wonder if it would really be an Outlier Muzan Alto 7-C.

I currently saw Genshin impact receive an Up from 6-C to 4-A...

With just one supporting feat with a seemingly unknown character...
 
Doma is 8-B, and we fought hard to at least get him to that level, at least in AP.

Nakime achieved a minimum 8-B feat, with a possible recalculation coming...

It's time-consuming, requires evidence and a lot of analysis, we're looking for some more achievements and waiting for the excitement to find consistent achievements.

If not, as mentioned, we will declare it as an Outlier, or perhaps, it is just miscalculated and the yield is lower.

I also believe that the same should happen with Berserk, new chapters will come, who knows Guts will receive an upgrade beyond 7-C.

Sometimes I wonder if it would really be an Outlier Muzan Alto 7-C.

I currently saw Genshin impact receive an Up from 6-C to 4-A...

With just one supporting feat with a seemingly unknown character...
I have literally no idea what you're talking about now sorry 🗿
 
If not, as mentioned, we will declare it as an Outlier, or perhaps, it is just miscalculated and the yield is lower.

I also believe that the same should happen with Berserk, new chapters will come, who knows Guts will receive an upgrade beyond 7-C.
I really have no clue what you're talking about but we didn't say its an outlier if that's what you're saying? The kinetic energy is literally invalid in the context of the scene you're using it for
 
Both.

KE doesn't need to have destruction, but destruction must not contradict KE.

Like, Guts shoving his sword into the boat at mach whatever the ****. The calc blog calced that at like 8-A or 7-C or whatever, yet the scene itself shows such blatant contradictory evidence, with the stab only doing like 9-B damage. That isn't ok, it invalidates the KE. The boat should have been blown to shit. Literally would have been better off not doing ANY destruction or stabbing, at least then it wouldn't outright disprove the KE, which tbh is usually what you want, the scene to just not hit the ground or something at all as to not contradict the KE.

Of course some cases the destruction IS close enough to the KE where we can handwave it (like nobody is gonna give a shit if the destruction is 8-A but the KE is 7-C, like, it's close enough to handwave), and in some cases the destruction EXCEEDS the KE so, ya know.

It's like if a mach 10000 cannonball with calced 7-A KE hit a wall, and like, made a small dent and stopped. That shit is OBVIOUSLY not 7-A, calc or not, what it does flatout contradicts it.

You could prob calc KE there. As said, there's instances where KE can be calced for Guts, but none would really be that good. Like against Rosine I think there's a decent example, maybe a few more. But none would even get 8-A, let alone above that, probably some 8-C or above ones tho but that's obviously just bit stuff.
"Keep in mind that this destruction should be compared to the energy lost by the object during the event. A ball travelling at relativistic speeds creating a hole its size, and continuing to move at nearly the same speed afterwards, would not be considered a contradiction. While a similar feat, with the ball falling to the ground a few meters afterwards, would be cause for concern."

The Guts scene, for example, only showed destruction equivalent to the thickness of the sword.

How could this not be a contradiction?
 
"Keep in mind that this destruction should be compared to the energy lost by the object during the event. A ball travelling at relativistic speeds creating a hole its size, and continuing to move at nearly the same speed afterwards, would not be considered a contradiction. While a similar feat, with the ball falling to the ground a few meters afterwards, would be cause for concern."

The Guts scene, for example, only showed destruction equivalent to the thickness of the sword.

How could this not be a contradiction?
What? That's literally why we aren't gonna use it? The boat didn't take any real damage or detsruction you'd expect from a nuke lv strike. It contradicts the KE, thus, KE is invalid.
 
I have literally no idea what you're talking about now sorry 🗿
They mentioned a calculation I made.
And that was accepted by a member, You declared yourself an Outlier and I just showed my opinion, if you want, you can ignore it...

This was more of a rant.
 
They mentioned a calculation I made.
And that was accepted by a member, You declared yourself an Outlier and I just showed my opinion, if you want, you can ignore it...

This was more of a rant.
I never said anything about an outlier and I don't think anyone mentioned Genshin Impact?
 
Ah, yet, Doma having done this.
And we fought to get him back, just repeating what I said...
And I just kept saying that we're looking to maintain consistency to upgrade to 7-C...
I ended up expressing myself poorly and still having a poor understanding of the debate.
Sorry.
Why are you bringing up other verses here 😭
 
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