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Berserk: Recalcing The Dragon Slayer - CALC ACCEPTED
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I don't think I need to say it, but you'd need to calc that seperately.
And as much as I'd like an upgrade, that wouldn't even be 9-A. Cutting feats suck and it isn't like he's overcoming the whole KE of it just to cut it. He's also cutting it toward the bottom so even the KE the DS would have to tank as it cut through it would be negligible as 99% of the mass is above the slash line.
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What about the RKE
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Literally the same? 99% of it is above the slash line. He isn't stopping or blowing away the whole thing, he's just cutting it at the bottom.
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He does stop it though
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"The entire thing"He does stop it though
He cuts it towards the bottom, he only stops the RKE of the part the blade came into contact with. The rest stopping is a byproduct of it being severed. The KE he overcomes also is only that of the spout below his blow, which is just a few meters.
That is simply not how this works lad, Guts would need to blow away the entire spout at once, not just cut it, or like, somehow stop it from the very top.
You can still calc this, but it's gonna be kinda ass.
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At this point, I am convinced that this site hates Berserk.
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It's like my top 3 favorite manga, I even have a few upgrades of my own in pocket that I'll get around to eventually, knock it the **** off with the victim whining behavior.
Feat ain't real, it doesn't work like that, you want us to pretend otherwise for big number? That's called straight up wanking. Sucks to suck but it is what it is, I didn't invent physics, I didn't draw or write the scene that specific way, it just isn't a 7-C feat for Guts, tf do you want me to do about it?
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Whining is when you realize that the site will goon their own verses to 5B while Berserk feats gets constantly rejected beacuse it is 0.000000000000000000000000001 cm off. Yeah sure
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Stop this goon behavior. You're being obnoxious.
The feat ain't real. It doesn't work like that. Daiba can scale off it, but Guts at no point interacts with it in a way that would enable scaling.
This isn't just a Berserk thing, that's just how the wiki works, stop pretending the site is some boogeyman out to get a hyper popular manga that 99% of the dude's commenting on actively enjoy and have as a favorite.
If you think there's shit wrong with other verses, go make a CRT instead of whining about how we should just wank Berserk instead via stuff that literally isn't true. The goal is to index accurately, not make stuff up.
As an fyi, that's ironic as **** because I could be doing that, your pixel scaling is sloppy and treating the spouts as a straight cylinder is objectively wrong given how they twist and turn, but, contrary to your statement, we aren't so anal as to split hairs over being 0.000000000000000000000000001 cm off.
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He tanks Ganishka's lightning. Ganishka being able to no diff Daiba.
Really? 7-A Baki. 7-C Demon Slayer. 5-B Darksiders are just boogeyman. 7-C Claymore which uses end of story feats for beginning characters who get blitzed? All of which are created or favorites of mods.
What does it matter? They will just say no.
That would just add more to the height.
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We are LITERALLY downgrading MGS because lightning doesn't work like that. It'd just be heat/electricity res. Freezing, heat and electricity feats work in a complicated manner, they're kinda ass to scale to physicals via tanking. I wish it didn't work like that, we'd have 8-B JoJo or the aforementioned 8-B MGS if we did for example.
Also Daiba himself isn't 7-C physically? That isn't how magic works in Zerk, he doesn't use it to amp himself, and Ganishka didn't even want him dead there anyway it was just a punishment.
Man I don't give a shit, go make a CRT for those verses if you think it's wrong. Also we LITERALLY don't rate half of those at those values?
And no, like, literally half those verses struggle, have you seen the DS or Baki CRT's? They get torn apart 99% of the time for trying to use feats that just don't scale. KingTempest just recently gutted the quake feats, not out of malice mind you, but simply because those feats do not work that way. A 7-C feat got knocked down to like 9-B+ my dude.
You're actively proving my point.
Which is why most of what you listed has, in fact, been downgraded like 20+ times? By mods no less?
Yeah? I never said it was wrong in a way that'd nerf the feat. You really need to stop thinking people have a hateboner for a mega popular generally considered the greatest fantasy comic of all time manga?
It'd buff Daiba's spell a bit, that still doesn't change the fact Guts doesn't scale. The feat ain't real in the way you're arguing, this ain't my fault, it just IS, we can't pretend otherwise.
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You do have 8-B MGS:
Solid Snake
Solid Snake (real name David) is the clone of Big Boss, and a world-renowned soldier and spy famed for his legendary exploits in the Outer Heaven Uprising and Zanzibar Land Disturbance. After repeatedly destroying several Metal Gear units, Snake has saved the world from the possibility of...
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Big Boss
Big Boss, real name John, also known as Jack, and formerly known as Naked Snake, Vic Boss, Ishmael, Saladin, or simply Snake, was a renowned special forces operative and mercenary commander. He founded U.S. Army Special Forces Unit FOXHOUND, along with the mercenary company Militaires Sans...
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Venom Snake
Punished "Venom" Snake, also known as Big Boss, and formerly known as Ahab, V, Big Boss' phantom, or simply Snake, was a mercenary commander, formerly a combat medic for Militaires Sans Frontières (MSF). Big Boss made him lead the Diamond Dogs and Outer Heaven as his body double. Venom Snake...
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No one is 7-C, but a random statement of annihalating a planet of demons is 5-B.
The **** you talking about this calc just got accepted.
Yeah as if. I just need a single statement to wank the verse into oblivion.
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It's literally already been accepted. It's called the overhauls being worked on and finding replacement feats. The profiles just haven't been updated because what they fall back to is still being worked out.You do have 8-B MGS:
Solid Snake
Solid Snake (real name David) is the clone of Big Boss, and a world-renowned soldier and spy famed for his legendary exploits in the Outer Heaven Uprising and Zanzibar Land Disturbance. After repeatedly destroying several Metal Gear units, Snake has saved the world from the possibility of...Big Boss
Big Boss, real name John, also known as Jack, and formerly known as Naked Snake, Vic Boss, Ishmael, Saladin, or simply Snake, was a renowned special forces operative and mercenary commander. He founded U.S. Army Special Forces Unit FOXHOUND, along with the mercenary company Militaires Sans...Whatever downgrade you are talking about didn't go throughVenom Snake
Punished "Venom" Snake, also known as Big Boss, and formerly known as Ahab, V, Big Boss' phantom, or simply Snake, was a mercenary commander, formerly a combat medic for Militaires Sans Frontières (MSF). Big Boss made him lead the Diamond Dogs and Outer Heaven as his body double. Venom Snake...
Damn, I don't care.
If Guts had a statement saying he could annihilate a town with one swing, we'd probably use it.
Oh so a brand new Equake calc? That has actual basis and is straightforward?
That doesn't change the fact we gutted the city block shake and the highrise shake because they were just straight up wrong.
Unfortunately, that isn't the case. Another verse has a legit tier 7 feat? Stop the presses. Why and how does that mean we wank Berserk? The feat doesn't scale to Guts. What next, you're gonna post a calc of Freeza blowing up a planet and argue because he blew up a planet we should wank Guts to stuff he never did?
statements go a long way yes. If they aren't contradicted, you could, in fact, upgrade stuff off it.
Why are you bitching? All this whataboutisms, which mind you isn't even right given Baki caps at low tier 7, not 7-A, and DS is High 8-C not 7-C, etc. Because Guts simply doesn't scale to a calc you did? That isn't the wiki's fault, go blame the deceased author if you hate it so much, he's the dude who drew it and had it play out that way. Other verses being other tiers, especially if they're based on actual feats and scaling, doesn't give you right to play a victim and act like us not accepting straight wrong scaling makes us villains.
You want 7-C Guts? Cool, all you have to do is find a 7-C feat he scales to.
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He never will, and the calc will immediately get rejected because of semantics.
And the only reason you are saying that is because Jojo is having the time of its life. When was its last debunk?
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The only way he never would, is if he never gets a 7-C feat. How would that be anyone's fault?
Yeah sucks to say but, it LITERALLY not working that way, is kind of important.
Uh, no, I'm saying that because your scaling is wrong? The calc is more or less fine btw, the calc isn't even being rejected, it just doesn't scale to Guts.
Sucks, but that's how it is, stop bitching about it.
Also how fallacious can you get? Pretty sure I like Berserk better than JoJo bar like Part 7, my enjoyment of something doesn't mean I'm gonna pretend a feat works when it doesn't.
Idk like, 10 times this year? By me? By goons trying to scale them to feats that don't scale or work that way in a attempt to get things like 7-A Plat? Kinda like here actually.
But yeah sure, everyone hates Berserk right? Definitely not because wrong and fake scaling just isn't used as a whole.
Literally grow up. You're being obnoxious. The feat is fine. The calc is ok. The scaling isn't because Guts never at any point interacts with it in a way that'd enable scaling. He gets his ass blasted by like 1% of a spout, and then he cuts a bottom of one. That's it, neither enable scaling, the former even directly implicates he doesn't scale to the full brunt of one.
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Hey, igorami, those feats aren't solid, and I literally revised Darksiders to have Possibly 5-B because there's 3 shaky feats for the matter. Shut up on topics you don't know the first thing about. Shit, they don't even have feats, just statements!
You'd be better off trying to target WoW's 7-A to try and downgrade shit, and even then I could shit out several uncalced feats that are EASILY tier 7! Random Old God minions perform tier 7 feats for god's sake
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A popular verse can immediately get upgraded? Wow, I am shocked. It is almost like my entire arguement is that if a verse is liked by supporters and mods it gets favorable treatment.
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Berserk is exponentially more popular than WoW on forum, and honestly most places.
This dude acting like being upgraded isn't because they have legitimate shit. Yeah dude, if a dude blows up a mountain, shocker, you can probably scale them to busting said mountain. What even are your arguments? That zerk doesn't have legit 7-C scaling for Guts, other verses somehow wanking or get away with shit?
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...You want to know the WoW guy on this forum? The only active person who seems to be able to debate the scaling to a high level? Me.
If you use solid feats and look to rat out inconsistencies, yeah, a verse will generally be in a good state... that is to say, stop caring about big numbers. The moment I stopped caring is the moment I could actually start working on WoW for real, wiping the verse and building a foundation of solid feats for every stat and PnA. I even have the guy with encyclopedic knowledge on the lore working slowly on Cosmology!
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WOW is literally one of the most played and popular MMOs to this day. What shit are you trying to pull?
Even if it did, it would just get caught up in Semantics. We literally had a CRT where Griffith scaled to Mountain Level+ feats but was rejected because of ******* semantics. "ACKSHUALLY The manga doesn't explicitly state that Griffith is stronger than the ******* fodder slime so he isn't stronger".
He is stated to be the strongest in the physical and abstract world (where the slime comes from)
Uh but is it stated that he is stronger than an enemy that ******* Isidro can defeat.
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REJECTED.
That's what is happening. It's always what will happen.
Hell the Multi-Continental Calc WHICH GOT ACCEPTED. Got rejected because Zodd was there in the blast, even though the calc stated this is an outlier.
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Yeah, that's outside of the scaling circles. And even then, WoW lost a lot of fans due to Blizzard's bullshit and BFA+Shadowlands! WoW has very little scaling circle following, and probably always will!
Some communities just don't have a lot of scalers looking into them, and almost every single Blizzard verse not named Overwatch falls into that bin! Starcraft is a crusty old man with over half a decade-old profiles, Hearthstone and Diablo are nonexistent, and HotS only exists because of me!
WoW on this wiki before I truly got into it was so shitty that it got VERSE-WIPED. Every single profile even related to it, deleted!
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That it isn't as popular on this forum? Like, I can only really think of 3 dudes who **** with it. Zerk is quite a bit more popular in battleboarding.
And Berserk is the most popular dark fantasy comic of all time? Acting like it ain't popular.
Semantics, and actual faulty reasoning, are not the same.
Yes, you do, in fact, need to prove a character scales.
Post that statement, that should be good enough proof to scale Femto to the feat. instead of whining, actually prove your arguments.
Femto > Guts > Isidro. If you're gonna yap and strawman, you could like, at least not be literally wrong in how we do it here.
Yeah if you don't post the required evidence.
That isn't what's happening here, Guts just doesn't scale, stop crying over it. Find a feat he does scale to, easy, end of, if you can't find one, well then I guess he doesn't have any and thus isn't 7-C, how is that anyone's fault? We didn't write shit.
ALL you've done is whip out whataboutisms and complain mod favoritism (while ironically literally every verse you've mentioned isn't even the tier you went off about and how they get downgraded and struggle way beyond what Zerk has to), all while basically asking us to just scale it anyway because you want it to scale? No. Stop. Keep it up and there will be a report. Stop whining and throwing a fit because your calc doesn't scale.
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Udl gave up on the verse(He debated me once in a Grom vs Cairne match) and Bambu only talks about it when I go to him asking him to check to make sure I'm not on my bullshit, and even then he doesn't like what I'm doing but doesn't have the energy to argue with me about it
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Every single profile is out of date and using outdated calcs. How on earth is that popular?
I did. They said it doesn't scale directly because the slime isn't mentioned.
I literally give you two examples of Zerk being shut down and you said uh doesn't count. The evidence you gave is wrong (Metal Gear Solid is still 8-B), and to put the cherry on top, you are feel so threatened you are going to call a mod. Wow
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Yeah, because Berserk takes a few pages of the Great Book of Grudges being cleared to do proper reworks for it, it's a big ass Manga.
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Because shit takes time? I was working on a bit on the back and so was another dude. I don't really care if it takes awhile, it'll happen when it happens. Prob won't be for at least a year but better to be late, as opposed to like, wanking am I right? I already have a few calcs done, like Zodd yeeting the Horseslayer (LS upgrade), but featboxes take a very long time if they're to be comprehensive.
When was the line stated? Show me. If it checks out, I will ******* ARGUE IT for YOU.
Two isn't targeted bias, it just means you 1. Did a shit job conveying why it's legit, or 2. It isn't legit and nothing is wrong with it being rejected.
Literally accepted, I even remember the mods. Abstraction's was one.
But as said, we need fallback feats, those take time, a lot of time, CRT has been in the work for like 2.5 years. As an fyi the fallback is looking to be 8-C. Maybe higher for anyone who scales to Mantis?
No more like you're being an actual detrimental nuisance who won't grow up.
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And which of the knowledgable members are active?
SheevShezarrine is the only one who really is around, all the others have moved on or not active (obv not including EliminatorVenom as he was going through personal shit.)
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90% of people don't list themselves on verse pages. I have like a million byte Zelda CRT in the works, and actively calc shit for it and discuss it, and I don't think I'm even listed on the verse page.
Same with Zerk, I sure as hell enjoy it and have calcs for it, but I ain't listed.
I've never liked that shit anyway, who gives a **** if someone supports or opposes a verse, that shouldn't factor into if a CRT is right or wrong.
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Berserk: Godhands LS and AP Upgrades
Lifting Strength The Godhands currently have unknown lifting strength but with this calc it goes up to Class 50 (with telekinesis) Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus Disagree: Attack Potency The Godhands and Idea of Evil get upgraded to Large Mountain level AP via this calc of The Wave of Darkness...
You are the one who refuses to accept that shit is nearly impossible to pass unless the Mods like your verse.
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And who is fully knowledgeable in WoW and also active besides me? You want to know, who made 95% of the current profiles for the verse with more on the way? Me. And the rest I oversaw.
Old WoW profiles were so shitty I'd rank them below current Berserk profiles in quality, and we had such gems as 6-C Ragnaros for a feat that, when calced about half a decade after the original profiles creation, Was 7-A. At least Berserk has calcs and justifications for abilities, WoW had almost all of it's profiles scale to Low 7-B from a feat from a character who should've been tier ******* 6 at the time of performing it. High 6-B, to be exact!
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Alright I concede that part
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Ill check.Full ThreadBerserk: Godhands LS and AP Upgrades
Lifting Strength The Godhands currently have unknown lifting strength but with this calc it goes up to Class 50 (with telekinesis) Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus Disagree: Attack Potency The Godhands and Idea of Evil get upgraded to Large Mountain level AP via this calc of The Wave of Darkness...vsbattles.com
Edit: The link is ****** broken dude
I'm refusing it BECAUSE IT'S WRONG. Not because I'm ******* out to get the verse. This is exactly what i mean, you're throwing a fit over something that isn't anyone's fault but THE AUTHOR'S and PHYSICS.
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How am I throwing the fit when you are the one who went apeshit over the fact I just said, "At this point, I am convinced that this site hates Berserk."
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And I said that isn't the case and explained why.
Then you like, doubled down, went off on actually just wrong whataboutisms, and a bunch of other shit.
Why does this site hate Berserk? Because your faulty scaling is faulty? That we don't accept made up feats? That the goal isn't to get big number but to actually index it accurately so we're not gonna pretend it scales when it doesn't?
Guts doesn't scale to any of the 7-C slop, that isn't the site's fault, it isn't targeted hate despite your evident belief of such, given your whole Baki, DS, yadda yadda yap. He just doesn't have a calced feat that enables him to be such, end of. If you don't like it, blame the author and physics, not anyone else.
Instead of whining about it, go find a legit method to get him higher.
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By saying "Oh you are a ******* idiot, and shut the **** up."
I gave examples of verse that have absolutely horrendous scaling, and you said well seems legitmate. Even though the Baki calc I gave you measures a completely different earthquake, you said that its legitimate.
I already shown the thread where the higher scaling got shut down-which you haven't read yet.
You didn't look into one of the examples I gave, and just said whataboutism.
Even though, Guts tanked lightninig from Ganishka and Ganishka is stated to be stronger than Daiba?
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Things I didn't say but if that's what you think, that's on you.
And yet, somehow, every example you gave was wrong? Demon Slayer caps at High 8-C, not 7-C for example, despite your claim it was 7-C. Because we got rid of the faulty ass feats.
Yep, don't see any issue with Muzan blowing up a building and then being rated building lv for it.
Don't know, don't care, you said it was accepted. Funnily, i really don't think it was looking into it, only the radiated waves was accepted, and Yujiro is 7-C atm still, not High 7-C+ or 7-B.
I literally did read it, half the links broken.
I literally checked EVERY verse, only one that might be legit is Claymore? And that's more a byproduct of the profiles being old af and being super non-popular here.
Yeah, as said, lightning tanking don't work like that. Heat, freezing and electricity feats hard to scale due to the mechanics behind them, literally downgrading MGS by like 20x because of that, Snake tanking electricity doesn't translate to physicality. Secondly, lightning disperses out, Guts didn't take all the energy. Thirdly, lightning loses energy as it travels through the air. Lastly Guts doesn't even scale to Daiba's magic either?
Like dude this is what I mean, shit's faulty and just ignores physics or how it's actually potrayed.
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This got accepted.
So you are fine with wrong calcs being accepted, and just proved my point about bias?
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Literally isn't accepted, it's why they're High 8-C still
No I'm more saying grow up, stop complaining, and it isn't even accepted?
A calc being accepted, and a calc being implemented, are not the same. The math can be right, it don't mean shit if the scaling, details, and other stuff invalidate it, ya know, kinda like here?
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Literally isn't accepted, it's why they're High 8-C still
Muzan creates a shockwave.
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You just loving moving the goal posts don't you.
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