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Akainu's devil fruit is superior to WhitebeardsCan i ask why?
And Whitebeard can casually smack away his devil fruit
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Akainu's devil fruit is superior to WhitebeardsCan i ask why?
Whitebeard without his devil fruit can smack away hits from Akainu, who's superior to his own devil fruit.
Initially that was his quake which he "blocked", and we also see on the same scan that his bisento went into his shoulder. Heck, he took the later quake better than he took the bisento.
Because of that higher offensive power statement?Akainu's devil fruit is superior to Whitebeards
It never says the potential for Akainiu's devil fruit is higher.Just because the potential for Akainu's Devil Fruit is higher doesn't mean that the hit that Whitebeard smacked away was superior to all of his quakes.
Until we have a site standard that drastically drops the significance of sharp weapons to where going in your shoulder is super insignificant compared to a dura negging earthquake that can't break skin, then WB's strength > his DF which faltered to a BB who was injured from his physicalsThat's because the bisento is a sharp weapon; the damage is going to be a lot more prominent. It doesn't necessarily mean Whitebeard's physical strength was greater than his quake-bubble there.
YeahBecause of that higher offensive power statement?
It says Akainu's devil fruit is stronger.
Until we have a site standard that drastically drops the significance of sharp weapons to where going in your shoulder is super insignificant compared to a dura negging earthquake that can't break skin, then WB's strength > his DF which faltered to a BB who was injured from his physicals
Yeah
I'd take a focused dog aimed at a guy who just made 2 Tsunami's over any casual attack. The best you could argue is Akainu holding back on someone like Koby.Akainu's Devil Fruit can be stronger overall without every single attack from him being superior to Whitebeard's best feat.
Ok.It's still not accurate IMO to say that damage done was just damage from WB's strength, when it is WB's strength being focused into a sharp weapon. Distribution of how force is delivered is important to take into account even if we don't have a great way of representing it on the profiles themselves.
That statement refers to the Logia, very surely
His ability to manipulate magma at will boast him the highest attack power of all Devil Fruits.
We don't accept that statement for AP.It does not make sense, that the Magu magu is more powerful than the Gura Gura, when the latter is the fruit with the ability to destroy the world, while the Magu magu does not have that kind of offensive power.
We don't accept that statement for AP.
Because we don't accept the statement in general. It's one of the prime examples of the hyperbole page.That you do not accept it for AP, does not mean that in-canon can be used for powerscaling.
That's never stated, and Oda's the one who said Magu Magu > Gura Gura.For Oda, Gura Gura>Magu Magu in power.
What? Magu magu is the most Offensive DF power man.That you do not accept it for AP, does not mean that in-canon can be used for powerscaling.
For Oda, Gura Gura>Magu Magu in power.
Whitebeard without Haki = His DF
The OP has been answered, I'll put my scaling in another thread.
Do you guys have anything else to say or can I close this thread?
He fought with Akainu on chapter 568 without use DF and Use DF , Akainu DF Match Whitebeard's DF.How do you get this?
How do you know he wasn't using Haki?He fought with Akainu on chapter 568 without use DF and Use DF , Akainu DF Match Whitebeard's DF.
We don't see it, so no proof that he used itHow do you know he wasn't using Haki?
We don't see Haki almost at all Pre-Timeskip, but we know it was being used.We don't see it, so no proof that he used it
There is nothing insinuating in that scene that he used Haki, unlike his statement where he used it against Aokiji, there's nothing.We don't see Haki almost at all Pre-Timeskip, but we know it was being used.
He was deflecting his long range attack. You don't need Busoshoku for that.It'd be more accurate to say that there's no definitive proof he was or was not using it, but contextually he was fighting a Logia user so it makes more sense for him to be using it.
I think he doesn't use Haki for sure as Tempest Said.How do you know he wasn't using Haki?
I'm not saying he definitely used Haki. I said:@Damage3245 Burden of proof is on you to prove he used Haki
It'd be more accurate to say that there's no definitive proof he was or was not using it, but contextually he was fighting a Logia user so it makes more sense for him to be using it.
You did the exact same thing for the people who hurt Luffy without Haki who were confirmed to possess Haki.The more neutral position to take is; Whitebeard may or may not have used Haki. (An ability we know he possesses, has used in the battle already and has no reason not to use it, and we can't see whether he's using it or not.)
your disagreement is unreasonable, and your reasons have also been refuted many times, if this continues there will be no result unless you are neutral about this.Okay, I have nothing further to say on the subject other than I disagree for the reasons I've mentioned.
You can believe that if you wish.your disagreement is unreasonable, and your reasons have also been refuted many times, if this continues there will be no result unless you are neutral about this.
Why is the thread still open? the changes are already applied.
I'll just close this and reopen it when the scaling is doneReal quick.
I wanted to implement my own revision for the justifications and scaling.
@StrawHatArslan thank you for implementing the changes, I wanted to implement them using my own scaling and I wanted to add references, so I'll keep this open until then.
If it's declined then idm, but I had a scaling I've wanted to implement for a long time.
KT said he will make a new thread, so I'll close this one now and let him make that when he's ready.Why is the thread still open? the changes are already applied.
Fair.KT said he will make a new thread, so I'll close this one now and let him make that when he's ready.