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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Just makes ya think that they've all got their individual things that they specialize in
Luffy is all around great, great power great speed great durability etc.
Zoro is about strength and skill, so he always has the second highest power and Haki, no matter what.
Sanji is about speed/swiftness and heat. Always gonna be the second fastest no matter what. And he can rack up damage real quick since his attacks do deal some heavy damage to certain opponents despite that not being his real forte (him clapping Jabra with DJ is a prime example of that).
Winbe is about sturdiness, having great Armament Haki and skill with FMK, etc.
So on and so forth
 

There's a LOT wrong with this but first
What is the hype behind Magellan? His feats honestly are mediocre and the only thing he has going for him is being the head warden of Impel Down.
Also Katakuri on the same tier as Lucci is diabolical. Even I would not do that shit. I'd put Lucci under Marco and King but not Katakuri.
 
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DaMonkeMan said:
I wonder why it said they're incredibly strong I thought Sanji was a jobber and Zoro only high diffed Lucci how peculiar that they hype their strength like that
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it's a translation error

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今や四皇の一角として、世界中に名が轟く海賊一味。船長のルフィを心身共に力強く支える二人は、この一味に欠かせない存在だ。

As one of the Four Emperors, the pirate crew is well known throughout the world. The two men, who strongly support Captain Luffy both physically and mentally, are indispensable to this crew.
 
Mndks said:
it's a translation error

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今や四皇の一角として、世界中に名が轟く海賊一味。船長のルフィを心身共に力強く支える二人は、この一味に欠かせない存在だ。

As one of the Four Emperors, the pirate crew is well known throughout the world. The two men, who strongly support Captain Luffy both physically and mentally, are indispensable to this crew.
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It's more accurately translated to:

As one of the Four Emperors, the pirate crew is well known throughout the world. The two men, who provide strong physical and mental support to their captain, Luffy, are indispensable to this crew.
 
Kachon123 said:
It's more accurately translated to:

As one of the Four Emperors, the pirate crew is well known throughout the world. The two men, who provide strong physical and mental support to their captain, Luffy, are indispensable to this crew.
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thx
 
Mndks said:
it's a translation error

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今や四皇の一角として、世界中に名が轟く海賊一味。船長のルフィを心身共に力強く支える二人は、この一味に欠かせない存在だ。

As one of the Four Emperors, the pirate crew is well known throughout the world. The two men, who strongly support Captain Luffy both physically and mentally, are indispensable to this crew.
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Nah I was just making a joke because a lot of people call Sanji a weak jobber and claim Zoro is weaker than Sanji and was pushed to a high diff by Lucci despite none of these takes making any sense whatsoever
 
Mndks said:
I believe that Sanji and Zoro will be stronger than all admirals at the eos
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the wings
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I don't see why not. Zoro's gonna be above a top/god tier and Sanji... Uh.. Idk.
He doesn't have a big reason to be a top tier eos but it's still pretty likely
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Not really, he was never really supposed to be super strong. Dude's still lagging behind Zoro and Luffy rn, in fact.
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Just cause he's lagging behind 2 units doesn't mean he was never meant to be "super strong".
DaMonkeMan said:
He's not a huge fighter compared to people like Zoro or Brook.
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he definitely is, he came from the baratie before joining the crew, and has gone on to face some of the toughest opponents of other crews
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Not really, he was never really supposed to be super strong. Dude's still lagging behind Zoro and Luffy rn, in fact.
He's not a huge fighter compared to people like Zoro or Brook.
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????
absolutely no hate to Brook but in what world is BROOK a huge fighter and NOT Sanji. I cannot tell if this is a troll post or not
 
DaMonkeMan said:

There's a LOT wrong with this but first
What is the hype behind Magellan? His feats honestly are mediocre and the only thing he has going for him is being the head warden of Impel Down.
Also Katakuri on the same tier as Lucci is diabolical. Even I would not do that shit. I'd put Lucci under Marco and King but not Katakuri.
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Magellan beat Blackbeard, and people think DF powers scale to AP or something. Also, people don't think the Straw Hats get stronger over time.
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
Shanks glazers are annoying af and it doesn't help that Oda keeps giving Shanks such kingly aura and feats while he...basically only gives Mihawk statements (Marineford is basically the root of a lot of Mihawk slander lol).
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Saying "we don't know who's stronger" is shanks glazers being annoying? What?

Mihawk glazers are the one that's making assumptions as facts even tho those assumptions gets debunked if you actually do some research
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
Shanks glazers are annoying af and it doesn't help that Oda keeps giving Shanks such kingly aura and feats while he...basically only gives Mihawk statements (Marineford is basically the root of a lot of Mihawk slander lol).
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Twitter Mihawk fans aren't letting that get to them. They've already found a way to counter this new slander and glaze Mihawk even more :LOL:.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
he's a swordsman, Mihawk has better sword skills than shanks

Who is stronger and who beats who has never been answered
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ye and has the strongest sword and is the strongest swordman its narratively and powerscaling acurate that mihawk beats shanks

also if shanks was stronger zoro wouldn't fight mihawk to truly become the wss
 
RoronoaxRobin said:
You literally described Shanks glazers :LOL:
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... No I didn't, since Cinos called them a shanks glazer for saying that there's no proof on who's stronger between them which is actually true

Both Shanks and Mihawk glazers saying who which is confirmed to beat the other are both wrong.
 
Kircdaaa said:
ye and has the strongest sword and is the strongest swordman its narratively and powerscaling acurate that mihawk beats shanks
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No. Having the strongest sword and having a title as the strongest swordsman doesn't automatically mean you actually are stronger than every other swordsman

Both narratively, databooks and everywhere else... It's always been that mihawk has the best swordsmanship... Nothing else.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
No. Having the strongest sword and having a title as the strongest swordsman doesn't automatically mean you actually are stronger than every other swordsman

Both narratively, databooks and everywhere else... It's always been that mihawk has the best swordsmanship... Nothing else.
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it literally does... its not like there was another wss before mihawk he was the only one who got that title and shanks being a swordsman automatically
makes mihawk stronger and have greater skills than him

i dont get what you're trying to say. nvm
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
... No I didn't, since Cinos called them a shanks glazer for saying that there's no proof on who's stronger between them which is actually true

Both Shanks and Mihawk glazers saying who which is confirmed to beat the other are both wrong.
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Yes you did. I was referring to your bottom comment about Mihawk glazers because Shanks glazers do that shit.
 
RoronoaxRobin said:
Exactly. I was saying they both do it lol
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... 🌚

🙉 I never even referred or implied that only mihawk glazers do that

Shanks has the whole "he's not a swordsman" thing even tho he is. Mihawk has the whole "he has the strongest swordsman title meaning he's stronger than everyone else who has a sword" thing even tho that's never been a thing

The narrative and everything else confirms Mihawk to only have the best skill/swordsmanship
 
Nierre said:
????
absolutely no hate to Brook but in what world is BROOK a huge fighter and NOT Sanji. I cannot tell if this is a troll post or not
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AnAverageUsername said:
Just cause he's lagging behind 2 units doesn't mean he was never meant to be "super strong".

he definitely is, he came from the baratie before joining the crew, and has gone on to face some of the toughest opponents of other crews
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You can say what you want. At the end of the day there's a clear reason that one has constant impressive feats against top tiers and can even take out high tiers with one attack while the other always faces the weaker opponent and literally has panels of him getting overwhelmed by people that Zoro could beat come up when you look up "hypetool".
There is no reason to believe that he HAS to be close to Zoro or Luffy. It's just a myth. Oda just does whatever he wants with him in terms of powerscaling.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
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🙉 I never even referred or implied that only mihawk glazers do that

Shanks has the whole "he's not a swordsman" thing even tho he is. Mihawk has the whole "he has the strongest swordsman title meaning he's stronger than everyone else who has a sword" thing even tho that's never been a thing

The narrative and everything else confirms Mihawk to only have the best skill/swordsmanship
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Anyway lol...

Chapter 1058 is not only confirming Mihawk has greater sword skill than Shanks, it's also reconfirming he's the strongest swordsman in the verse, with the "As the strongest swordsman in the world" part, which does puts him above Shanks and any other swordsman.

The Vivre Card statement also puts Mihawk above Shanks.

I'm not doing this with you today MOL
 
I find it so hilarious how you say there's no reason to say that Sanji has to be close to "Zoro or Luffy" when it's Zoro who's always paired with Sanji rather than with Luffy in terms of strength and portrayal.

I mean Sanji is going to be the third strongest in the crew that will defeat the faction that Joyboy couldn't. How is he not going to be that strong EOS? Sanji was literally raised and trained by a Pirate Legend and was the second-in-command in a restaurant that was famous throughout the world mostly for how strong the chefs were and not necessarily how good the food was. Oda goes out of his way to show that Sanji is abnormally strong and is among the strongest of any given story arc over and over and over again. In Sanji's introduction he literally drew this.

"There's a clear reason that one has constant impressive feats against top tiers and can even take out high tiers with one attack while the other always faces the weaker opponent"

This is such a funny comment when comparing their opponents this arc/people they got feats against it was the opposite:

Zoro: Kaku, 1v2 against S-Hawk, Lucci (hasn't even seen a Gorosei yet)
Sanji: S-Shark 1v1, Saturn, Kizaru, Nusjuro

I mean even if we want to address the "hypetool" allegations, that's just blatantly wrong. If we're talking about Vergo, an already injured Sanji had the upper hand against him. Zoro would've been in a worse position than Sanji against Doflamingo since he can't even fly so the crew would likely have all been killed. I don't know who else Sanji was a "hypetool" to, and you bringing up him being the first result when you search is up is more of a reflection of how folks like you don't even read the story but instead downplay for no reason, but I digress. There's no real point in trying to defend Sanji when Oda does it himself all the time. Sanji and Shanks are literally the only people that Oda glazes in SBS' in regards to their abilities and powers. Hell, Oda's signature is literally Sanji. Any claim that Sanji is hated by Oda or is his excuse to hype the villains is blatantly wrong.
 
I'm going to say this and leave it at that. If Roger, Primebeard, or Shanks had Mihawk's title, no one in this fanbase would be saying having the strongest sword in the story or having World's Strongest Title doesn't mean you're stronger than every swordsman in the story. Especially when those same people will turn around and tell you Roger's Pirate King title means he's the strongest of all time in the story or Primebeard's the World's Strongest Man. They only say stuff like that because Mihawk has it. And I've seen others on places like Reddit and Twitter admit they don't want Mihawk to be that strong because it means Zoro will be that strong lol.
 
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DaMonkeMan said:
You can say what you want. At the end of the day there's a clear reason that one has constant impressive feats against top tiers and can even take out high tiers with one attack while the other always faces the weaker opponent and literally has panels of him getting overwhelmed by people that Zoro could beat come up when you look up "hypetool".
There is no reason to believe that he HAS to be close to Zoro or Luffy. It's just a myth. Oda just does whatever he wants with him in terms of powerscaling.
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I'm not even worried about Źoro and Luffy, I'm worried about the Brook sneak...
 
RoronoaxRobin said:
I'm going to say this and leave it at that. If Roger, Primebeard, or Shanks had Mihawk's title, no one in this fanbase having World's Strongest Title doesn't mean you're stronger than every swordsman in the story. Especially when those same people will turn around and tell you Roger's Pirate King title means he's the strongest of all time in the story or Primebeard's the World's Strongest Man. They only say stuff like that because Mihawk has it. And I've seen others on places like Reddit and Twitter admit they don't want Mihawk to be that strong because it means Zoro will be that strong lol.
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Do you think I give an f who’s actually currently stronger? There literally is no proof who’s stronger between them

I ain’t trying to debate with you on this bs topic which this only happens when Mihawk and his title come up

Strongest creature title, strongest pirate title, strongest man title + more, I all will equally ignore since they are simply just titles you can get within the op world

But if any of the titles get confirmed outside of just having that name/title (which is why the vivrecard specifically says Mihawk is the best swordsman in both name and reality and also confirms his title to be skill based more than anything with saying he has better swords skills than shanks) then I will consider it truth
 
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