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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Saw someone on Worstgen unironically say Mihawk can't beat Ace... Another reminder that I should stay away from OP powerscaling.
 
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Gg
 
Nami Usopp and Robin have no Haki though
1. Zeus can probably just eat him
2. Usopp rubber band oneshots
3. Robin can just blitz him and bury him, or dodge him out with teleportation and stuff long enough to tire him out... and then blitz and bury him. Or drown him with Fishman Karate.
4. I appreciate that you realize the almighty Franky, who earned the respect of both Monkey D. Luffy and Kozuki Oden, would stomp that fraud.
 
1. Zeus can probably just eat him
Nami could ra... Shit water no effective 🤔 she absorbs him in her Clima-Tact like she did Zeus similar way Franky put caribou in a barrel
3. Robin can just blitz him and bury him, or dodge him out with teleportation and stuff long enough to tire him out... and then blitz and bury him. Or drown him with Fishman Karate.
Hmm... 🤔 she makes big hands, grabs a big pool of water and then puts him inside that pool hand gg 🤔😅

Wait.. She can't grab him 🤔 she moves fast enough to where he gets caught in the pool gg
 
LOL
1. Zeus can probably just eat him
2. Usopp rubber band oneshots
3. Robin can just blitz him and bury him, or dodge him out with teleportation and stuff long enough to tire him out... and then blitz and bury him. Or drown him with Fishman Karate.
4. I appreciate that you realize the almighty Franky, who earned the respect of both Monkey D. Luffy and Kozuki Oden, would stomp that fraud.
Z eus could eat him... I now have a new idea for my 18+ op comic
 
Yes CoA/ACoA Santoryu Zoro

I mean the dude was able to replicate the damage done Gear 5 Luffy attacks while Yamato was in awe of the power of Base Luffy
Wasn't she surprised because he split the skies and not because clashed with Hybrid Kaido
Like she herself downscales from Hybrid Kaido, which is more than I can say for Lucci given how bad he looked after G5 with just CoA and CoA Santoryu Zoro attacked him.
 
Wasn't she surprised because he split the skies and not because clashed with Hybrid Kaido
Splitting the sky is inherently a strength of Haki feat, so her being surprised means that her Haki is weaker than Luffy's Haki, meaning that Luffy is also physically stronger than her as Haō can only become stronger as the user themselves becomes stronger.
Like she herself downscales from Hybrid Kaido, which is more than I can say for Lucci given how bad he looked after G5 with just CoA and CoA Santoryu Zoro attacked him.
Well we're talking about a pre and post-Shuron Hakke Kaidou. The version of Kaidou that Gear 5 Luffy fought is much much stronger than the Hybrid forms he used against the Rooftop 5 and Yamato so its not that fair to compare Yamato, Lucci, and Zoro through Kaidou like that
 
meaning that Luffy is also physically stronger than her as Haō can only become stronger as the user themselves becomes stronger.
I'm pretty sure that was meant to be about the user's willpower getting stronger or something, but I might be wrong.
Well we're talking about a pre and post-Shuron Hakke Kaidou. The version of Kaidou that Gear 5 Luffy fought is much much stronger than the Hybrid forms he used against the Rooftop 5 and Yamato so its not that fair to compare Yamato, Lucci, and Zoro through Kaidou like that
Yeah but also keep in mind the G5 that Kaido fought tried WAY harder than he did with Lucci, for example he used ACoA and ACoC. The one that fought Lucci only used CoA.
 
Yeah but also keep in mind the G5 that Kaido fought tried WAY harder than he did with Lucci, for example he used ACoA and ACoC. The one that fought Lucci only used CoA.
Sorry if this wasn't your point btw but I see a couple people talk about this so I just wanted to say that
But yeah in any case Lucci would likely lose to Yamato seeing how easily Luffy and Zoro took him out (without any Advanced Haki mind you)
 
I'm pretty sure that was meant to be about the user's willpower getting stronger or something, but I might be wrong.
It's definitely referring to both willpower and strength, because the Haki can't become stronger unless both get stronger. Luffy's willpower didn't get stronger after getting his by Kaidou's Ragnaraku right before he awakened Haō Infusion, he simply grew physically stronger to match, which allowed him to tap into that level of Haki. You need to reach a specific level of strength for your Hao to be able to be coated.
Yeah but also keep in mind the G5 that Kaido fought tried WAY harder than he did with Lucci, for example he used ACoA and ACoC. The one that fought Lucci only used CoA.
That's definitely fair but I'm mostly just comparing the AP of Luffy and Zoro. Obviously in the grand scheme of things Luffy tried much harder against Kaidou than he did against Lucci, but its not like he was just jobbing around, which would still place the AP of attacks like Dawn Whip, Rocket, and Mole Pistol above his Base AP attacks.

Since we know that Base Luffy is at least as strong as Yamato, and the AP of Santoryu CoA/ACoA Zoro could take out Lucci in a way that Luffy didn't, that already puts Zoro's AP above Yamato's.

As for Lucci himself, his speed definitely scales above Yamato's, his Haki is relative at worst and much better at best, he's more versatile, can literally fly, has better range, better endurance and regen, and relative AP at worst. Yamato's only hope in a fight with him would be to freeze him, but we know Haki can break people out of ice, so she has no real wincon.
 
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