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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Like bro… the anime, if I remember correctly the games, all fan books and even the manga itself all support the notion that Mihawk’s title is based/confirms only that he has the best swordsmanship and nothing else

Yet somehow people will still say he’s the strongest swordman just because it says “Strongest swordsman” on his title
 
SlendVeny said:
Queen did not showcase an impressive performance against Big Mom. He held up, but it was very clear he didn't stand a chance.
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I disagree. He took 2 of her enraged attacks with minimal damage and got up right after and dispatched her.

He obviously was scared simply due to the fact that she's a damn Yonko and he doesn't want to cause too much of a scene, but outside of his cowardice, he showed really good durability and good strength.
 
Nierre said:
how does this not sound stupid to you

you're mad people are calling Mihawk the strongest swordsman because he's stated to be the strongest swordsman??
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the same reason I don't use the strongest man title or the strongest pirate title with whitebeard, which even his profile doesn't use as a justification with

Or same reason with kaido (tho there might exist some support outside of that title that he truly is the strongest creature but idk if that's true)

But now that it's with mihawk it has to be true even tho it's a title within the verse and even outside and inside the verse only talks about swords skill for that title
Nierre said:
you're mad people are calling Mihawk the strongest swordsman because he's stated to be the strongest swordsman??
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I'm specifically mad that people are ignoring everything else to still say he's the strongest swordsman
 
Kachon123 said:
I disagree. He took 2 of her enraged attacks with minimal damage and got up right after and dispatched her.

He obviously was scared simply due to the fact that she's a damn Yonko and he doesn't want to cause too much of a scene, but outside of his cowardice, he showed really good durability and good strength.
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He has regen, so him not getting dropped is less impressive to me as it would be for some other characters. I'll agree that him staying up long enough to pull off a Brachio Bomber was good, but he was definitely getting his ass handed to him.
 
I didn't put him over Sanji lol. And my latest response was just a joke.
I don't even hate Sanji, any time I slander or downplay him is purely because his fans are being annoying to me at that moment.
And me saying he's below Zoro and Luffy isn't slander. It's just a fact.
You wouldn't say Shanks being below Mihawk in both skill and strength is slander.
 
Kachon123 said:
I disagree. He took 2 of her enraged attacks with minimal damage and got up right after and dispatched her.

He obviously was scared simply due to the fact that she's a damn Yonko and he doesn't want to cause too much of a scene, but outside of his cowardice, he showed really good durability and good strength.
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To be fair, Big Mom used nothing but brute strength against Queen.
It's still impressive he could withstand a whooping from her and proceed to sneak her with Brachio Bomber, but I'm just saying.
 
DaMonkeMan said:
I didn't put him over Sanji lol. And my latest response was just a joke.
I don't even hate Sanji, any time I slander or downplay him is purely because his fans are being annoying to me at that moment.
And me saying he's below Zoro and Luffy isn't slander. It's just a fact.
You wouldn't say Shanks being below Mihawk in both skill and strength is slander.
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I don't know how Mndks saying Sanji will be Admiral level EOS or Ped agreeing with him was them being annoying 😭
 
Kachon123 said:
I don't know how Mndks saying Sanji will be Admiral level EOS or Ped agreeing with him was them being annoying 😭
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I didn't say they were annoying I'm more of referring to people that, say, will use Sanji kicking Nusjuro to prove he's above Zoro or something.
 
DaMonkeMan said:
I didn't say they were annoying I'm more of referring to people that, say, will use Sanji kicking Nusjuro to prove he's above Zoro or something.
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Btw on some sites Sanji fans were going even crazier than Kuma fans were when he landed that haymaker on Saturn. I have no idea why. Like, it was a good feat, but it's not like what Kuma and Luffy did to Saturn. They hyped that shit up way too much
 
Glad you knew better than to not include the "/s"

Anyways, what Sanji did to Nusjuro is better than Kuma and Luffy's feats due simply to the fact that Saturn is a regen merchant who was getting boxed up by Brook and Sanji's feat was in Base Diable Jambe w/o a named attack against a Hybrid + Haki coated attack.
 
Kachon123 said:
Glad you knew better than to not include the "/s"

Anyways, what Sanji did to Nusjuro is better than Kuma and Luffy's feats due simply to the fact that Saturn is a regen merchant who was getting boxed up by Brook and Sanji's feat was in Base Diable Jambe w/o a named attack against a Hybrid + Haki coated attack.
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please stop.
 
"Sanji kicking Hybrid Nusjuro and drawing a bit of blood and a tooth is better than Kuma launching a full Zoan Saturn into a building and ******* up his jaw"
"That's nonsensical"
"LOL HES AFRAID OF SANJI BEING STRONG OH MY GOD"
 
Kachon123 said:
Glad you knew better than to not include the "/s"

Anyways, what Sanji did to Nusjuro is better than Kuma and Luffy's feats due simply to the fact that Saturn is a regen merchant who was getting boxed up by Brook and Sanji's feat was in Base Diable Jambe w/o a named attack against a Hybrid + Haki coated attack.
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Kuma punched a guy in the face so hard his leg fell off, blocking a hit and kicking a guy are not nearly as good as that.
 
SlendVeny said:
Kuma punched a guy in the face so hard his leg fell off, blocking a hit and kicking a guy are not nearly as good as that.
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We're talking about the same dude who is getting his body chopped up and injured by Usopp and Brook. Obviously it's a good feat, but like I said, what makes Sanji's feat more impressive to me isn't necessarily the kick itself, but the lack of amps he used to do it.
 
Kachon123 said:
I find it so hilarious how you say there's no reason to say that Sanji has to be close to "Zoro or Luffy" when it's Zoro who's always paired with Sanji rather than with Luffy in terms of strength and portrayal.

I mean Sanji is going to be the third strongest in the crew that will defeat the faction that Joyboy couldn't. How is he not going to be that strong EOS? Sanji was literally raised and trained by a Pirate Legend and was the second-in-command in a restaurant that was famous throughout the world mostly for how strong the chefs were and not necessarily how good the food was. Oda goes out of his way to show that Sanji is abnormally strong and is among the strongest of any given story arc over and over and over again. In Sanji's introduction he literally drew this.

"There's a clear reason that one has constant impressive feats against top tiers and can even take out high tiers with one attack while the other always faces the weaker opponent"

This is such a funny comment when comparing their opponents this arc/people they got feats against it was the opposite:

Zoro: Kaku, 1v2 against S-Hawk, Lucci (hasn't even seen a Gorosei yet)
Sanji: S-Shark 1v1, Saturn, Kizaru, Nusjuro

I mean even if we want to address the "hypetool" allegations, that's just blatantly wrong. If we're talking about Vergo, an already injured Sanji had the upper hand against him. Zoro would've been in a worse position than Sanji against Doflamingo since he can't even fly so the crew would likely have all been killed. I don't know who else Sanji was a "hypetool" to, and you bringing up him being the first result when you search is up is more of a reflection of how folks like you don't even read the story but instead downplay for no reason, but I digress. There's no real point in trying to defend Sanji when Oda does it himself all the time. Sanji and Shanks are literally the only people that Oda glazes in SBS' in regards to their abilities and powers. Hell, Oda's signature is literally Sanji. Any claim that Sanji is hated by Oda or is his excuse to hype the villains is blatantly wrong.
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Best sc in one piece??
 
Kachon123 said:
I find it so hilarious how you say there's no reason to say that Sanji has to be close to "Zoro or Luffy" when it's Zoro who's always paired with Sanji rather than with Luffy in terms of strength and portrayal.

I mean Sanji is going to be the third strongest in the crew that will defeat the faction that Joyboy couldn't. How is he not going to be that strong EOS? Sanji was literally raised and trained by a Pirate Legend and was the second-in-command in a restaurant that was famous throughout the world mostly for how strong the chefs were and not necessarily how good the food was. Oda goes out of his way to show that Sanji is abnormally strong and is among the strongest of any given story arc over and over and over again. In Sanji's introduction he literally drew this.

"There's a clear reason that one has constant impressive feats against top tiers and can even take out high tiers with one attack while the other always faces the weaker opponent"

This is such a funny comment when comparing their opponents this arc/people they got feats against it was the opposite:

Zoro: Kaku, 1v2 against S-Hawk, Lucci (hasn't even seen a Gorosei yet)
Sanji: S-Shark 1v1, Saturn, Kizaru, Nusjuro

I mean even if we want to address the "hypetool" allegations, that's just blatantly wrong. If we're talking about Vergo, an already injured Sanji had the upper hand against him. Zoro would've been in a worse position than Sanji against Doflamingo since he can't even fly so the crew would likely have all been killed. I don't know who else Sanji was a "hypetool" to, and you bringing up him being the first result when you search is up is more of a reflection of how folks like you don't even read the story but instead downplay for no reason, but I digress. There's no real point in trying to defend Sanji when Oda does it himself all the time. Sanji and Shanks are literally the only people that Oda glazes in SBS' in regards to their abilities and powers. Hell, Oda's signature is literally Sanji. Any claim that Sanji is hated by Oda or is his excuse to hype the villains is blatantly wrong.
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Also I didn't see this until now and I don't feel like debunking it cause I'm a little busy but I will say that I wasn't against the idea of him being a top tier at all, in fact I recall saying that it's pretty likely, I'm just saying he doesn't have as much going for him as Zoro and Luffy do in that regard.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
tho there might exist some support outside of that title that he truly is the strongest creature but idk if that's true
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Kaido is definitely the most powerful creature. That's an undeniable fact. But if you don't include humans among creatures, that's debatable. But I won't do that🙉
 
And before you say it, yes I did say he might not be relative to Zoro, but that doesn't mean he's not a top tier EOS
For example Issho isn't exactly relative to Shanks (or so it seems) but both are top tiers
 
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