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whats the mid/high tier downgrade scaling coming from? my only guess is dressrosa cuz thats basically where all of post timeskip scaling relies on. and whats with the god tier upgrades.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Mid tiers downgrading because Dressrosa is tiny (apparently), God tiers are scaling over Fujitora's 6B+ due to Fujitora's meteorite calc and Akainu scaling over it via Oda's statement of him having the highest offense, meaning anyone comparable to him (WB) and anyone comparable to that who scales will scale over that value. (or High 6B if the Luffy/Kaido clash timeframe is determined), and a lot of the top tiers will be revised to be LS or FTL based on a thread made recently...Ish.
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mhm, i lowkey agree with both the upgrade and downgrade for both tiers. could u link the LS/FTL thread plz.
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so god tiers are 6B+ but a possible high 6-B if an impressive timeframe is given.
would it be a baseline 6B+ upscale or is there an actual 6B+ feat.
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This is the one
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Don't think so, you can see his blur above sanji plus why would saying stealth correlate to invisibility?Should Niji have invisibility? He used a stealth ability here:
Eminiteable
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Super speed, the sound effect isn't the same as invisibility.
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Talk about crew would Oda possibly make Aokiji join SHP crew? Since Luffy has no Logia user.
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Or Marco, even tho he isn't actually a logia
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The 6B+ feat is Fujitora's meteorite being at 60+ teratons, and the Yonko scaling over it. I don't remember the entirety of the thread, but there was an argument of Yonko one handed= the feat. Two handed Yonko 2X> the feat. (Although I'm sure with either busoshoku or advanced conqueror's is enough to be at least twice as high)
The high 6B is Luffy and Kaido's cloud dispersal. Initially it was 6B, but we're waiting for the anime timeframe, and based on the Opening (even though we're waiting for the episode, so only speculation for now) it happened in less than a second, which gives both Luffy and Kaido high 6B ratings. But that's likely going to wait, since I doubt the anime will get there before the revisions. 6B+ for sure-- High 6B MAYBE.
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Mhm I see, that’s cool, I’m confused on the multiplier tho…The 6B+ feat is Fujitora's meteorite being at 60+ teratons, and the Yonko scaling over it. I don't remember the entirety of the thread, but there was an argument of Yonko one handed= the feat. Two handed Yonko 2X> the feat. (Although I'm sure with either busoshoku or advanced conqueror's is enough to be at least twice as high)
The high 6B is Luffy and Kaido's cloud dispersal. Initially it was 6B, but we're waiting for the anime timeframe, and based on the Opening (even though we're waiting for the episode, so only speculation for now) it happened in less than a second, which gives both Luffy and Kaido high 6B ratings. But that's likely going to wait, since I doubt the anime will get there before the revisions. 6B+ for sure-- High 6B MAYBE.
Either way, if a x2 multiplier is confirmed after the high 6B if it's accepted, OP is hitting 6A
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The two handed yonko one? Same. I'd say they scale "higher", but giving it a x2 would be a little off.
Although depending on what Busoshoku or conqueror's coating's multiplier is, it's likely over x2. Buso haki on G2 makes Luffy jump a tier. And Conqueror's Coating from Kaido one shotted Roof Luffy on round 1 even though Luffy took a TB and some moments later, so it's definitely higher.
The scale itself comes from the fact that WB without confirmed usage of Busoshoku or Haoshoku coating scales to Akainu, who scales over Fujitora offensively. This also doesn't include whatever the multiplier for Hybrid Kaido is, as I believe the discussion was held before that was revealed.
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Mhm I see, it’s just that’s a very random 2 handed 2x multiplier but I guess I see the point. Thx.
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Thankfuly I don't think it's accepted anyway. The Hybrid/Haoshoku/Busoshoku amps make far more sense than 1 handed/2 handed
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Indeed, I’m still confused on 1 handed 2 handed. Are we talking about there hands physically being the multiplier?
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Found this
www.fanverse.org
Maybe a lot of upgrades
Verification - One Piece Calcs: CT123 Edition
www.fanverse.org
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Since Aokji's page was brought up, I wanted to point out that I've noticed that in his Busoshoku Haki section it doesn't mention that he blocked Whitebeard's quake using Goken along with Akainu and Kizaru (while both their Busoshoku sections does mention it on their pages).
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Hell if I know- I guess a Yonko swinging with two hands is twice as strong as a Yonko swinging with one arm?? Or something like that.
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Almost that whole conversation includes or is related to the one handed/Two handed yonko scaling to or over the 62 teraton meteorite
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What about ChaosTheorys WB calcs?
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Yeah Idek this lowkey wild
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Feel free to link. The only redone WB calcs I've seen are the higher value KT (I believe) did and will be added during the god tier revisions
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Verification - One Piece Calcs: CT123 Edition
www.fanverse.org
If you cant see it,let me post it here
Whitebeard's Kabutowari
The feat
Whitebeard KOed a Vice Admiral with a Quake powerful enough to have its aftershocks be perceptible to a human well off into the distance beyond Marineford.
Magnitude / Intensity Comparison
USGS Earthquake Hazards Program, responsible for monitoring, reporting, and researching earthquakes and earthquake hazards
web.archive.org
As you might be able to tell, the farmer's able to tell the Earthquakes are occurring during the day, outdoors, much as described as being a magnitude 4-4.9 from where they're located.
Planet Diameter = 181 pixels
Grand Line = 18 pixels
Grand Line/Planet Diameter = 0.099
Planet Diameter = 452,621.424 kilometers
Grand Line = 44,809,520.969 meters
Additionally though?
The Island was apparently remote enough where it had no clue that Whitebeard was even in a naval conflict with Marineford, despite every sea in
Half Grand Line = 110 pixels (take a look for yourself)
Distance to Remote Island (Option 1) = 175 pixels
Distance to Remote Island (Option 2) = 196 pixels
Distance to Remote Island (Option 3) = 263 pixels
Distance to Remote Island (Option 1)/Half Grand Line = 1.591
Distance to Remote Island (Option 2)/Half Grand Line = 1.782
Distance to Remote Island (Option 3)/Half Grand Line = 2.391
Half Grand Line = 22,404,760.485 meters
Distance to Remote Island (Option 1) = 35,645,973.932 meters or 22,149.381 miles
Distance to Remote Island (Option 2) = 39,925,283.184 meters or 24,808.421 miles
Distance to Remote Island (Option 3) = 53,569,782.32 meters or 33,286.72 miles
So, how does this help us?
First it is relevant to define the term epicenter as it is a word that will be prevalent throughout this blog.
Epicenter: The point on the earth's surface vertically above the focus of an earthquake.
The epicenter is on the surface of the Earth and as Whitebeard's quakes are on the surface also it should eliminate any queries on the validity of the formulas we will be using here concerning his quakes.
Where A(mm) is the height of the largest seismic wave (s wave) in millimeters (mm) and delta(t) is the S-P time difference.
Look to GM's version for what I'll use as the s wave height (5000 mm)
The S-P time difference is derived by dividing the Distance to Remote Island in miles by 5.7.
Time Frame (Option 1) = 3,885.856 seconds
Time Frame (Option 2) = 4,352.355 seconds
Time Frame (Option 3) = 5,839.775 seconds
M (Option 1) = log(base10)5000 + 3(log(base10)[8*3885.856]) - 2.92
M (Option 1) = 3.69897000434 + 3(4.4925766897) - 2.92
M (Option 1) = 14.257
Seismic Energy Calculator
Converts magnitude of seismic energy between Joule and TNT explosive equivalent.
keisan.casio.com
Whitebeard's Kabutowari vs Vice Admiral Ronse (Option 1) = 153,815,464,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 36.763 petatons
M (Option 2) = log(base10)5000 + 3(log(base10)[8*4352.355]) - 2.92
M (Option 2) = 3.69897000434 + 3(4.54181429837) - 2.92
M (Option 2) = 14.404
Whitebeard's Kabutowari vs Vice Admiral Ronse (Option 2) = 254,683,025,300,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 60.871 petatons
M (Option 3) = log(base10)5000 + 3(log(base10)[8*5839.775]) - 2.92
M (Option 3) = 3.69897000434 + 3(4.66948610155) - 2.92
M (Option 3) = 14.787
Whitebeard's Kabutowari vs Vice Admiral Ronse (Option 3) = 956,092,695,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 228.512 petatons
Whitebeard's Kaishin
The feat
This is the only other set of Quakes the old farmer dude could have been referencing having felt in this feat on that remote island.
Whitebeard = 17 pixels
Moby Dick = 218 pixels
Moby Dick Height = 462 pixels
Moby Dick/Whitebeard = 12.824
Moby Dick Height/Whitebeard = 27.176
Whitebeard = 6.66 meters official height
Moby Dick = 85.408 meters
Moby Dick Height = 180.992 meters
Let's use the Thousand Sunny (56 meter tall) and characters that have been around the Sunny for a demonstration. Oars? Is a massive Ouroboros where he's officially barely taller than the Thousand Sunny ( 67 meters after most recent retcon from 39 meters),yet he and his descendant are somehow about the size of a marine battleship that dwarf the sunny
How about Surume ( 300 meters w/tentacles extended) and Wadatsumi 80 meters )
As you might be able to tell from this gallery here using the Thousand Sunny as the de-facto measuring stick of the series... its easy to see anything beyond 10 meters in official height generally seems to suffer some kind of exaggeration compared to more reliable measuring sticks. I can pretty much demonstrate this for most Giant Named Characters (which I'm more than happy to continue gathering galleries for going forward).
In lieu of considering that, I'm going to use the Moby Dick because the Thousand Sunny decided to make a no show and Whitebeard is otherwise to scale compared to Luffy.
Moby Dick = 16 pixels
Marineford Diameter = 527 pixels
Marineford Harbor Diameter = 295 pixels
Marineford Wall = 7 pixels
Mass Displacement Distance = 124 pixels
Marineford Diameter/Moby Dick = 32.938
Marineford Harbor Diameter/Moby Dick = 18.438
Marineford Wall/Moby Dick = 0.438
Mass Displacement Distance/Moby Dick = 7.75
Marineford Diameter = 2,813.169 meters
Marineford Harbor Diameter = 1,574.753 meters
Marineford Wall = 37.409 meters
Mass Displacement Distance = 661.912 meters
The seismic wave warped the shit out of the bedrock Marineford is sitting on, on top of the wave it created.
Marineford Wall = 20 pixels
Seismic Wave Height = 50 pixels
Seismic Wave Height/Marineford Wall = 2.5
Seismic Wave Height = 93.523 meters or 93,523 mm
Where A(mm) is the height of the largest seismic wave (s wave) in millimeters (mm) and delta(t) is the S-P time difference.
The S-P time difference is derived by dividing the Distance to Remote Island in miles by 5.7. I'll be using the same trio as derived above.
Time Frame (Option 1) = 3,885.856 seconds
Time Frame (Option 2) = 4,352.355 seconds
Time Frame (Option 3) = 5,839.775 seconds
M (Option 1) = log(base10)93523 + 3(log(base10)[8*7771.713]) - 2.92
M (Option 1) = 4.97091842953 + 3(4.4925766897) - 2.92
M (Option 1) = 15.529
Seismic Energy Calculator
Converts magnitude of seismic energy between Joule and TNT explosive equivalent.
keisan.casio.com
Whitebeard's Kaishin Yield (Option 1) = 12,402,236,250,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 2.964 exatons
M (Option 2) = log(base10)93523 + 3(log(base10)[8*8704.709]) - 2.92
M (Option 2) = 4.97091842953 + 3(4.54181429837) - 2.92
M (Option 2) = 15.676
Whitebeard's Kaishin Yield (Option 2) = 20,606,299,130,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 4.925 exatons
M (Option 3) = log(base10)93523 + 3(log(base10)[8*11679.551]) - 2.92
M (Option 3) = 4.97091842953 + 3(4.66948610155) - 2.92
M (Option 3) = 16.059
Whitebeard's Kaishin Yield (Option 3) = 77,357,067,880,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 18.489 exatons
BIG CREDITS to CT123
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You can feel Magnitude 3 earthquakes.
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Not gonna lie, never seen it before. But the wiki's likely going to call anything above 6-A for high tiers outlier until further showings. Feel free to make a thread and see where it goes, but I doubt it'll be considered.Verification - One Piece Calcs: CT123 Edition
If you cant see it,let me post it here
Whitebeard's Kabutowari
The feat
Whitebeard KOed a Vice Admiral with a Quake powerful enough to have its aftershocks be perceptible to a human well off into the distance beyond Marineford.
Magnitude / Intensity Comparison
USGS Earthquake Hazards Program, responsible for monitoring, reporting, and researching earthquakes and earthquake hazardsweb.archive.org
As you might be able to tell, the farmer's able to tell the Earthquakes are occurring during the day, outdoors, much as described as being a magnitude 4-4.9 from where they're located.
Planet Diameter = 181 pixels
Grand Line = 18 pixels
Grand Line/Planet Diameter = 0.099
Planet Diameter = 452,621.424 kilometers
Grand Line = 44,809,520.969 meters
Now we need an estimate for the distance that the island is from the epicenter. What we must note for this method is that there are no islands around Marineford about from Sabaody. More precisely, there is nothing in the triangle that links the three locations, Marine HQ, Impel Down and Enies Lobby.
Additionally though?
The Island was apparently remote enough where it had no clue that Whitebeard was even in a naval conflict with Marineford, despite every sea in
the setting discussing the issue like its the ******* apocalypse, so it seems like a generous low end to suggest just somewhere vaguely off panel is functionally how far away the remote island is from Marineford proper. Mind you, the direction isn't defined, so I just used the 3 chosen for the purpose of serving as our approximations.
Half Grand Line = 110 pixels (take a look for yourself)
Distance to Remote Island (Option 1) = 175 pixels
Distance to Remote Island (Option 2) = 196 pixels
Distance to Remote Island (Option 3) = 263 pixels
Distance to Remote Island (Option 1)/Half Grand Line = 1.591
Distance to Remote Island (Option 2)/Half Grand Line = 1.782
Distance to Remote Island (Option 3)/Half Grand Line = 2.391
Half Grand Line = 22,404,760.485 meters
Distance to Remote Island (Option 1) = 35,645,973.932 meters or 22,149.381 miles
Distance to Remote Island (Option 2) = 39,925,283.184 meters or 24,808.421 miles
Distance to Remote Island (Option 3) = 53,569,782.32 meters or 33,286.72 miles
So, how does this help us?
First it is relevant to define the term epicenter as it is a word that will be prevalent throughout this blog.
Epicenter: The point on the earth's surface vertically above the focus of an earthquake.
The epicenter is on the surface of the Earth and as Whitebeard's quakes are on the surface also it should eliminate any queries on the validity of the formulas we will be using here concerning his quakes.
Where A(mm) is the height of the largest seismic wave (s wave) in millimeters (mm) and delta(t) is the S-P time difference.
Look to GM's version for what I'll use as the s wave height (5000 mm)
The S-P time difference is derived by dividing the Distance to Remote Island in miles by 5.7.
Time Frame (Option 1) = 3,885.856 seconds
Time Frame (Option 2) = 4,352.355 seconds
Time Frame (Option 3) = 5,839.775 seconds
M (Option 1) = log(base10)5000 + 3(log(base10)[8*3885.856]) - 2.92
M (Option 1) = 3.69897000434 + 3(4.4925766897) - 2.92
M (Option 1) = 14.257
Seismic Energy Calculator
Converts magnitude of seismic energy between Joule and TNT explosive equivalent.
Whitebeard's Kabutowari vs Vice Admiral Ronse (Option 1) = 153,815,464,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 36.763 petatons
M (Option 2) = log(base10)5000 + 3(log(base10)[8*4352.355]) - 2.92
M (Option 2) = 3.69897000434 + 3(4.54181429837) - 2.92
M (Option 2) = 14.404
Whitebeard's Kabutowari vs Vice Admiral Ronse (Option 2) = 254,683,025,300,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 60.871 petatons
M (Option 3) = log(base10)5000 + 3(log(base10)[8*5839.775]) - 2.92
M (Option 3) = 3.69897000434 + 3(4.66948610155) - 2.92
M (Option 3) = 14.787
Whitebeard's Kabutowari vs Vice Admiral Ronse (Option 3) = 956,092,695,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 228.512 petatons
Whitebeard's Kaishin
The feat
This is the only other set of Quakes the old farmer dude could have been referencing having felt in this feat on that remote island.
Whitebeard = 17 pixels
Moby Dick = 218 pixels
Moby Dick Height = 462 pixels
Moby Dick/Whitebeard = 12.824
Moby Dick Height/Whitebeard = 27.176
Whitebeard = 6.66 meters official height
Moby Dick = 85.408 meters
Moby Dick Height = 180.992 meters
Don't tell me to scale Marineford, or really anything, in One Piece from giant characters like little Ors Jr (after the last set of retcons, he sits at 60 meters officially after a retcon/revision [ctrl + f "627"] that changed it from the original 38 meters ) or Sanjuan Wolf (stated official height of 180 meters ).
Let's use the Thousand Sunny (56 meter tall) and characters that have been around the Sunny for a demonstration. Oars? Is a massive Ouroboros where he's officially barely taller than the Thousand Sunny ( 67 meters after most recent retcon from 39 meters),yet he and his descendant are somehow about the size of a marine battleship that dwarf the sunny
How about Surume ( 300 meters w/tentacles extended) and Wadatsumi 80 meters )
As you might be able to tell from this gallery here using the Thousand Sunny as the de-facto measuring stick of the series... its easy to see anything beyond 10 meters in official height generally seems to suffer some kind of exaggeration compared to more reliable measuring sticks. I can pretty much demonstrate this for most Giant Named Characters (which I'm more than happy to continue gathering galleries for going forward).
In lieu of considering that, I'm going to use the Moby Dick because the Thousand Sunny decided to make a no show and Whitebeard is otherwise to scale compared to Luffy.
Moby Dick = 16 pixels
Marineford Diameter = 527 pixels
Marineford Harbor Diameter = 295 pixels
Marineford Wall = 7 pixels
Mass Displacement Distance = 124 pixels
Marineford Diameter/Moby Dick = 32.938
Marineford Harbor Diameter/Moby Dick = 18.438
Marineford Wall/Moby Dick = 0.438
Mass Displacement Distance/Moby Dick = 7.75
Marineford Diameter = 2,813.169 meters
Marineford Harbor Diameter = 1,574.753 meters
Marineford Wall = 37.409 meters
Mass Displacement Distance = 661.912 meters
The seismic wave warped the shit out of the bedrock Marineford is sitting on, on top of the wave it created.
Marineford Wall = 20 pixels
Seismic Wave Height = 50 pixels
Seismic Wave Height/Marineford Wall = 2.5
Seismic Wave Height = 93.523 meters or 93,523 mm
Where A(mm) is the height of the largest seismic wave (s wave) in millimeters (mm) and delta(t) is the S-P time difference.
The S-P time difference is derived by dividing the Distance to Remote Island in miles by 5.7. I'll be using the same trio as derived above.
Time Frame (Option 1) = 3,885.856 seconds
Time Frame (Option 2) = 4,352.355 seconds
Time Frame (Option 3) = 5,839.775 seconds
M (Option 1) = log(base10)93523 + 3(log(base10)[8*7771.713]) - 2.92
M (Option 1) = 4.97091842953 + 3(4.4925766897) - 2.92
M (Option 1) = 15.529
Seismic Energy Calculator
Converts magnitude of seismic energy between Joule and TNT explosive equivalent.
Whitebeard's Kaishin Yield (Option 1) = 12,402,236,250,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 2.964 exatons
M (Option 2) = log(base10)93523 + 3(log(base10)[8*8704.709]) - 2.92
M (Option 2) = 4.97091842953 + 3(4.54181429837) - 2.92
M (Option 2) = 15.676
Whitebeard's Kaishin Yield (Option 2) = 20,606,299,130,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 4.925 exatons
M (Option 3) = log(base10)93523 + 3(log(base10)[8*11679.551]) - 2.92
M (Option 3) = 4.97091842953 + 3(4.66948610155) - 2.92
M (Option 3) = 16.059
Whitebeard's Kaishin Yield (Option 3) = 77,357,067,880,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules or 18.489 exatons
BIG CREDITS to CT123
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Where this from?
Also using things like these (top right)
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/0041fc76dd904c316fee7f3e92fc443e/053.jpg
Isn't accurate at all
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I think the first? That one was brought up in a thread a few months back.This?
Or this?
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Anyway, I'm the same as monkey on the diameter of the world. Our world's is 12756.2 kilometers, and assuming One Piece's planet to have larger size, even if it is based on the islands and whatnot, is not accepted either.
Waiting for either a confirmed size by the author OR a confirmed canon size when Nami finishes her map (In a thousand years) is the best choice for now. I wish Oda was just straight forward and gave us island sizes tbh, but I think Alabasta's river was the last "distance" of anything we got based on size and not time.
Waiting for either a confirmed size by the author OR a confirmed canon size when Nami finishes her map (In a thousand years) is the best choice for now. I wish Oda was just straight forward and gave us island sizes tbh, but I think Alabasta's river was the last "distance" of anything we got based on size and not time.
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The First is not caused by Enel
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We know...
It's just a supporting feat for 6-A not being an outlier for the verse I think is what SnookB meant
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But its not a supporting feat
literally nothing in the verse scales to it other then maybe some tech of space pirates
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Tech which Enel destroyed in one shot.
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Tech which has no reason to scale to its AP. Tech which might literally be a big bomb, Tech that could be charged up for the result, Tech which does it via unconvientional means, Tech which might not even be the same tech as what caused the explosion
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It was within it's AP's radius when the blast happened as far as we know. After all when the automata go to the moon and get faced by that group the dust and smoke is barely settling.
I ain't saying it should be accepted, but
It's there
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Also I'm looking at the cover story right now. The first is also caused by Enel. The first that monkey sent, not the first that the story has.
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The Robots were on the moon before Enel got there he literally saw them on the moon when he got there
Within a god knows distance from itIt was within it's AP's radius when the blast happened as far as we know. After all when the automata go to the moon and get faced by that group the dust and smoke is barely settling.
I ain't saying it should be accepted, but
It's there
Do humans scale to nukes in Dura because they have survived them
