One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[Kachon123]

What do the raws say for Sanji's Future Sight justification?

 

[SnookB]

The Robots were on the moon before Enel got there he literally saw them on the moon when he got there

Here's the order. Like I said, I'm literally looking at it on the wiki right now:
Enel was bullying a space pirate, then, an explosion occurs:

That's the first ever one as well.
Enel being Enel gets mad:

And goes to the source:

He's right there, highlighted and everything. And it cuts to the doctor on earth
Then:

That explosion finally occurs, and based on chronology, from Enel himself since he has no reason NOT to decimate them on sight.

 

[SnookB]

That's the chronological order of it. All I skipped were the old guy's moonwatching bits.

 

[theultimate5105]

Here's the order. Like I said, I'm literally looking at it on the wiki right now:
Enel was bullying a space pirate, then, an explosion occurs:

That's the first ever one as well.
Enel being Enel gets mad:

And goes to the source:

He's right there, highlighted and everything. And it cuts to the doctor on earth
Then:

That explosion finally occurs, and based on chronology, from Enel himself since he has no reason NOT to decimate them on sight.

That is literally a different explosion
You can literally see the robots in the first panel

 

[SnookB]

That is literally a different explosion
You can literally see the robots in the first panel

I did NOT realize the automata on the first page were the same ones-
It took me a second to notice the fact that the doctor events was a flashback led to by the automata on the ground. My bad! I misinterperted it.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

But its not a supporting feat
literally nothing in the verse scales to it other then maybe some tech of space pirates

They don't need to scale to it... That feat proves that in verse things can go up all the way to that ap value

 

[theultimate5105]

They don't need to scale to it... That feat proves that things can go up all the way to that ap value

No it doesn't like at all
Does the fact that supernovas likely exist in OP mean that things can go up to the level of them

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Anyway, I'm the same as monkey on the diameter of the world. Our world's is 12756.2 kilometers, and assuming One Piece's planet to have larger size, even if it is based on the islands and whatnot, is not accepted either.
Waiting for either a confirmed size by the author OR a confirmed canon size when Nami finishes her map (In a thousand years) is the best choice for now. I wish Oda was just straight forward and gave us island sizes tbh, but I think Alabasta's river was the last "distance" of anything we got based on size and not time.

Supposedly Kin'emon in the raws stated that Wano was 1,000 Ri.

 

[SnookB]

Supposedly Kin'emon in the raws stated that Wano was 1,000 Ri.

Nah, the 1000 Ri was the distance of an arrow shot from only one region to the capital. Not even half the size of Wano or even close to it.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Nah, the 1000 Ri was the distance of an arrow shot from only one region to the capital. Not even half the size of Wano or even close to it.

Oh damn, Wano huge!

 

[SnookB]

Oh damn, Wano huge!

Trying to find the chapter just to double check. I know the 1000 ri statement is there, but I dunno if it's specifically for the arrow going across all of wano or not-

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

At the very least Wano is at minimum 1,000 Ri.

 

[SnookB]

Oh damn, Wano huge!

https://vsbattles.com/threads/kaido-possible-upgrade.110665/#post-3481560

There it is. The arrow was shot only 1 ri, but scaled off the entirety of wano, the country itself is at least 1000 Ri.

 

[Deceived3596]

Sorry i just had to do it.

 

[Thehunter077]

Man I really want to see Enel comeback but at the same time I don't want to see him get clowned again lol

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I wanna see more kizaru, his abilities is quite unknown and they look very satisfying

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

3d2y has been approved by Oda, is it second Canon?

 

[Eminiteable]

No

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ok

 

[Chianli]

No

dont get why it isnt

 

[XDragnoir]

dont get why it isnt

Being approved by Oda just means he was okay with their ideas, that has nothing to do with it being canon, also why it being canon matters?

 

[Chianli]

Being approved by Oda just means he was okay with their ideas, that has nothing to do with it being canon, also why it being canon matters?

tbh, idk

 

[Superscharbe]

6-A for high tiers outlier until further showings

Garbage argument.We talk about the canonly DF with the highest DC output.You will not getting better feats maybe until BB shows some Gura feats

Where this from?

Van Augurs bullet speed
Here is the feat
Van Augur shoots a trio of seagulls in the time it takes for the smoke from his gun's barrel to disappear. The seagulls and the Going Merry cannot see Jaya over the horizon from where they are located.

First, the size of the planet

Spoiler

Bottom Right Panel

River = 3 pixels
Alabasta = 208 pixels

Alabasta/River = 69.333
River = 50,000 meters (its from here )

Alabasta = 3,466,650 meters

Top Left Panel

Alabasta = 23 pixels
Distance Between Islands = 182 pixels

Distance Between Islands/Alabasta = 7.913

Distance Between Islands = 27,431,601.45 meters

Spoiler

Why not just scale directly from Alabasta? If you noticed above? There are no islands large enough near Alabasta to be visible from our bird's eye view. To account for this, we need to scale from the distance between islands on the Grand Line as shown on the globe. Where I scaled is likely not even Alabasta, but the odds are pretty good that Alabasta's not even an island large enough to be seen on the scale of the globe anyway.

Distance Between Islands = 6 pixels
Planet Diameter = 99 pixels

Planet Diameter/Distance Between Islands = 16.5

Planet Diameter = 452,621,423.925 meters

Spoiler

Upper Yard = 355 pixels
Jaya = 262 pixels

Jaya/Upper Yard = 0.738

Upper Yard = 10,476.48 meters (found above)
Jaya = 7,731.642 meters

Spoiler

Jaya = 398 pixels
Jaya Height = 36 pixels

Jaya Height/Jaya = 0.09

Jaya Height = 695.848 meters

None of this height peaks over the horizon for Ussop to observe.

Planet Diameter = 452,621.424 kilometers

Star Wars vs Star Trek Technology: Planetary Parameter Calculator

 

[SnookB]

Garbage argument

I agree.
But the entire wiki doesn't.
6-A One Piece should've been a thing since WB tilted the seas, but no one wants to consider the fact that he tilted tectonic plates because it'd be too convenient for the 6-A scaling being a thing. Even though now there's a potential second 6-A feat with the cloud dispersal, and the Chinjao continent split (which, apparently isn't a big "continent" even though a "continent" by default should be bigger than an island or a country>Alabasta).

Again- 6-A One Piece makes sense, but isn't exactly liked.

 

[Superscharbe]

I agree.
But the entire wiki doesn't.
6-A One Piece should've been a thing since WB tilted the seas, but no one wants to consider the fact that he tilted tectonic plates because it'd be too convenient for the 6-A scaling being a thing. Even though now there's a potential second 6-A feat with the cloud dispersal, and the Chinjao continent split (which, apparently isn't a big "continent" even though a "continent" by default should be bigger than an island or a country>Alabasta).

Again- 6-A One Piece makes sense, but isn't exactly liked.

Wow,never thought VSBW is THAT bias,on the other hand Universelevel Clorox lol.I just can say every regular in the OBD agree´d with CT123´s calcs.

Claiming that WB,a top-tier with the canonly most DC fruit can release such amount of energy,is a outlier,is ridiculous.Luffys KKG and Zoros ISDS are some 1 digit Teraton attacks.Fuji´s Meteor is also in the Teratons.Enels Raigo as well and this guy is fodder.

Akainu clashed with WB and Kaido is the strongest Char alive.Maybe even stronger as Roger or Primebeard,we will need to wait for Kaido flashback.BM fought 3 days with him and Hakai is 100% in Odas mind > WB´s casual attack.

Means,neither you need the Gura Gura to clash or fight against it,as the other Top-Tiers has enough AP to fight him on even grounds.And lets be real,Old/MF WB was the weakest Yonkou

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Upper Yard = 355 pixels
Jaya = 262 pixels

Jaya/Upper Yard = 0.738

Upper Yard = 10,476.48 meters (found above)
Jaya = 7,731.642 meters

Spoiler

Jaya = 398 pixels
Jaya Height = 36 pixels

Jaya Height/Jaya = 0.09

Jaya Height = 695.848 meters

None of this height peaks over the horizon for Ussop to observe.

I'm confused about this, why is Jaya involved and how did you start calculating upper yard and Jaya?

 

[Darkvie123]

I agree.
But the entire wiki doesn't.
6-A One Piece should've been a thing since WB tilted the seas, but no one wants to consider the fact that he tilted tectonic plates because it'd be too convenient for the 6-A scaling being a thing. Even though now there's a potential second 6-A feat with the cloud dispersal, and the Chinjao continent split (which, apparently isn't a big "continent" even though a "continent" by default should be bigger than an island or a country>Alabasta).

Again- 6-A One Piece makes sense, but isn't exactly liked.

VsBW is rly hard on The Big 3 Scaling in general you will see 1000 downgrades and upgrades everytime

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

VsBW is rly hard on The Big 3 Scaling in general you will see 1000 downgrades and upgrades everytime

Not to naruto tho, personally very wanked.

 

[Magmag]

Not to naruto tho, personally very wanked.

Boruto scaling to sasuke

 

[Darkvie123]

Not to naruto tho, personally very wanked.

I think Planetary is fine for Naruto. Better than watching some IG accounts saying Naruto is Uni+ and MFTL+

 

[Magmag]

I think Planetary is fine for Naruto. Better than watching some IG accounts saying Naruto is Uni+ and MFTL+

Tiktok powerscaling is terror. Especially for Naruto and OP characters

 

[SnookB]

VsBW is rly hard on The Big 3 Scaling in general you will see 1000 downgrades and upgrades everytime

One Piece suffers the most from this, to be honest.
Universal Bleach gets accepted way too easily. Hell, Fist of the North star has a STATEMENT scale of the god-tiers scaling over "the greatest disaster" and assuming it's all the world's nukes and accepts Kenshiro at multi continent. That's ONE statement that was passable.

Yet 2/3 statements and SBS backing of WB being capable of destroying the world gets laughed at, even though it has AUTHOR backings? I dunno, man. The lack of double standards ain't there. It was easy to ignore initially, but noticing FOTNS hit High 6A based on ONE claim while OP has several that qualify for at least life wiping for WB get declined. This might be my salt talking, but again- it's the lack of double standards that bothers me. If we won't accept "featless statements", then might as well do it for every verse.

 

[Magmag]

One Piece suffers the most from this, to be honest.
Universal Bleach gets accepted way too easily. Hell, Fist of the North star has a STATEMENT scale of the god-tiers scaling over "the greatest disaster" and assuming it's all the world's nukes and accepts Kenshiro at multi continent. That's ONE statement that was passable.

Yet 2/3 statements and SBS backing of WB being capable of destroying the world gets laughed at, even though it has AUTHOR backings? I dunno, man. The lack of double standards ain't there. It was easy to ignore initially, but noticing FOTNS hit High 6A based on ONE claim while OP has several that qualify for at least life wiping for WB get declined. This might be my salt talking, but again- it's the lack of double standards that bothers me. If we won't accept "featless statements", then might as well do it for every verse.

^^pretty big division between statements and what verses statements get accepted.

 

[theultimate5105]

One Piece suffers the most from this, to be honest.
Universal Bleach gets accepted way too easily. Hell, Fist of the North star has a STATEMENT scale of the god-tiers scaling over "the greatest disaster" and assuming it's all the world's nukes and accepts Kenshiro at multi continent. That's ONE statement that was passable.

Yet 2/3 statements and SBS backing of WB being capable of destroying the world gets laughed at, even though it has AUTHOR backings? I dunno, man. The lack of double standards ain't there. It was easy to ignore initially, but noticing FOTNS hit High 6A based on ONE claim while OP has several that qualify for at least life wiping for WB get declined. This might be my salt talking, but again- it's the lack of double standards that bothers me. If we won't accept "featless statements", then might as well do it for every verse.

Remember how the same guy who originally made the universal bleach thread did the same thing for Naruto but it got instant closed

 

[SnookB]

^^pretty big division between statements and what verses statements get accepted.

Still pretty damn blatant regardless. Saying "He can bring a great disaster to this world" qualifying as "He can cause more destruction than the nukes in an INSTANT" and passing as Multi continental is ridiculous. One statement, one comparaison, and the jump is so high without backing yet it doesn't qualify as outlier. (From 6B to High 6A based on 1 statement)

In Contrast, Sengoku, who has no reason to exaggerate and knows WB for ages saying he can "destroy the world", Tsuru saying "there isn't a corner of the world you can escape to", and the Vivre card saying "his power was so immense it could destroy the world", an external source by the author. Yet somehow< two canon statements that validate each other, and external backing from the creator of the story< is still deemed outlier.

I'm not asking for anything to be changed, but I am pointing out the bs when I notice it. Either decline all statements until feats back it, or don't.

 

[Magmag]

Still pretty damn blatant regardless. Saying "He can bring a great disaster to this world" qualifying as "He can cause more destruction than the nukes in an INSTANT" and passing as Multi continental is ridiculous. One statement, one comparaison, and the jump is so high without backing yet it doesn't qualify as outlier. (From 6B to High 6A based on 1 statement)

In Contrast, Sengoku, who has no reason to exaggerate and knows WB for ages saying he can "destroy the world", Tsuru saying "there isn't a corner of the world you can escape to", and the Vivre card saying "his power was so immense it could destroy the world", an external source by the author. Yet somehow< two canon statements that validate each other, and external backing from the creator of the story< is still deemed outlier.

I'm not asking for anything to be changed, but I am pointing out the bs when I notice it. Either decline all statements until feats back it, or don't.

yeah ik, i was agreeing with you for how some verses are favored over others which is wild. I would assume that OP is just so big on vsbw compared to north star that they are stricter with what gets accepted or not. which is still a bad reason.

 

[SnookB]

A terrible reason. If we're being easier on other verses and strict on certain ones based on fame then that's a big oof.

 

[Magmag]

A terrible reason. If w're being easier on other verses and strict on certain ones based on fame then that's a big oof.

Pretty sure thats a big reason, big oof. big verses on vsbw are not getting that leverage thats for sure.

 

[SnookB]

Pretty sure thats a big reason, big oof. big verses on vsbw are not getting that leverage thats for sure.

DB gets sat on the same way. Acknowledging the canonical backing of the world of kais being a "higher realm" yet Goku/Beerus are only uni while Guilty Gear's Backyard is also a higher realm and its destruction is considered a low complex multi feat.

Nevermind, actually- I'm starting to lean to your reasoning entirely. Verse fame is a factor. Too many similiar feats or statements get treated differently based on whether people like it or not.

 

[Magmag]

Nevermind, actually- I'm starting to lean to your reasoning entirely. Verse fame is a factor. Too many similiar feats or statements get treated differently based on whether people like it or not.

it is indeed sadly.