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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

MonkeyOfLife said:
Haki has resistance to resistance negation...
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What? Luffy wasn't using Buso against quite a few of Kata's attacks, why would resistance to Resis neg matter?

MonkeyOfLife said:
Luffy's Haki, Devil Fruit and himself gets stronger continuously especially when fighting
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His base takes damage from Kata at the start and then in later points of the fight as well, what exactly you are trying to say? Base Luffy = Kata?

MonkeyOfLife said:
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Does little damage in base
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That's not little damage at all, blank eyes and a notable amount of blood from an attack dealing 50 of damage so imagine one doing 500 of damage, like, i think that attack with G2 and the one with Haki have the same amount of blood that the base one so that doesn't help at all

If you think the gap from Haki and G2 individually from Base is that big how do you explain Hody even being conscious after being hit by G2+Haki+Fire? A 10x gap is already supposed to be an win condition in any fight, literally fighting someone level 100 while you are at level 10, but now the level 100 guy needs an extra amp and dura neg to make the level 10 guy fall to his knees and cough blood? I don't complain about multipliers not killing cause we have non-multipliers gaps that also don't kill cause of PIS, but how is Hody okay enough to even move?
 
XDragnoir said:
Multipliers are treated entirely different from other statements, rn i can't remember any multiplier that comes entirely from a databook that we accept, like SSJ2 may not be consistent but afaik SSJ3 is and we still don't use it.
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Except that we do. SSJ multipliers were never stated in the canon material once. Only outside of it by external sources. If you accept even the x50, you contradict yourself because it was brought up in a source outside of the manga itself.
RoyGundam said:
Maybe they weren't trying hard enough
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Katakuri literally said he's trying to end Luffy on multiple occasions. Even showing frustration at how Luffy is dodging and taking his attacks. Flampé herself noted that Luffy took several "deadly" blows and was still fighting. There's no "not trying hard enough" when he was fighting Kat and Doffy. Both characters were actively trying to kill him.

Honestly, how ya'll take it is up to you. Ignoring a statement that's stated to cover the canon just feels more opinionated based on how you like it or not. I'd understand if it contradicted the canon to a ridiculous degree, but this is basically reason for a slight upgrade that barely changes anything. Just a way to stay more accurate than constantly dealing with the "higher" rating without actually giving specifications.
 
SnookB said:
Except that we do. SSJ multipliers were never stated in the canon material once. Only outside of it by external sources. If you accept even the x50, you contradict yourself because it was brought up in a source outside of the manga itself.
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Quoting myself:
XDragnoir said:
Which is still better than nothing, as Mitch said off-site to me, that multiplier is consistent with the gap in doriki from Blueno to Lucci and the hypothetical times 2 of a Zoan (in this case Lucci's), the problem is that unlike Kaioken these two aren't accepted so we wouldn't be able to pull a SSJ multiplier and "calc" it in verse and then apply an extra source for confirmation, same way SSJ2 and 3 aren't accepted.
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Just noticed it wasn't Mitch who i was talking with about this, mb Mitch.


Also, i have no problem doing a CRT to discuss SSJ's multiplier and if it should be removed or not, but like, it being there doesn't support G2 and it not being there completely nulls any chance G2 has, any reason to do it?
 
Also, this isn't an slight upgrade it's an whole order of magnitude and as i said before G4 becomes a 40x and KKG may become a 160x in Luffy's first key.
 
Like I said. Doesn't change much of anything. At this point One Piece as a verse has plenty of things that constantly get ignored, so I'm used to it. >exhibit A: "no one is ftl" lasted for years until and was argued against by a dozen people and the Kizaru gatekeeping was lifted.
XDragnoir said:
Also, this isn't an slight upgrade it's an whole order of magnitude and as i said before G4 becomes a 40x and KKG may become a 160x in Luffy's first key.
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So it's the effort of redoing all that, that's keeping them.
This is why I said the non-god tier downgrades were being done too quickly. Any day anything can change everything again. The Databook statement being one.
 
SnookB said:
Like I said. Doesn't change much of anything. At this point One Piece as a verse has plenty of things that constantly get ignored, so I'm used to it. >exhibit A: "no one is ftl" lasted for years until and was argued against by a dozen people and the Kizaru gatekeeping was lifted.

So it's the effort of redoing all that, that's keeping them.
This is why I said the non-god tier downgrades were being done too quickly. Any day anything can change everything again. The Databook statement being one.
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You know what? Go ahead, if you guys do a thread i will not say anything.
MonkeyOfLife said:
Blood lust, can swim and pills?
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Unquantifiable iirc

Doesn't amp dura

He didn't take more pills until he entered Monster form, which was after the Red Hawk.
 
I mean sure there can be inconsistencies… but there are so many things that makes it valid and sense that out weighs the inconsistency’s ALOT
 
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🤔... It's quite low pixels... I guess the way it's drawn makes it look very high quality but 🤷‍♂️

Or it could be because I made the image small which can make it more quality but 🤷‍♂️🐵
 
For WCI G3 Luffy, he scales to Awakened Katakuri because he "clashed evenly" with him. Can someone show a scan or say the chapter it happened in?
 
Would you guys put CP-0 like Lucci and those 3(I don't know their name) are comparable to Commander or Admiral?
 
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Kachon123 said:
As a huge Sanji fan, I'm glad some people recognize his potential.
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At this point it's not even potential- it's just waiting to happen and everyone knows it. You can't NOT have Yonko tier Sanji by the end of the story (if not before that)
The entirety of the monster trio are beasts.
 
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