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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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It's his maximum power overall, not just him using Enma as a crutch. Although he definitely did use it to amplify himself.
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Beg pardon?
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Basically King of Lightning back in early Wano Raid (roughly early 1000's) used to basically treat almost all of Zoro's feats as "EnMa wOaH" and believe that he was only able to do those feats cause of Oden's haki.
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Yeah, but Enma is still just drawing out Zoro's own power. It's not like he's using some power inside of the blade.
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I dunno.
Zoro did less damage without Enma in that combined attack to Kaido than a single scabbard did.
I still find it hard to believe he is 6-A without Enma or Hao Infusion, unless someone makes his blocking of Hakai an AP feat.
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It does feel like that tho
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Well Enma basically draws out more of Zoro's power than what he can naturally. If Zoro at best can draw 30 haki, then Enma can allow him to draw a 100 haki (using stupid measuring systems. It's like if you had a Gun that was charged by your life energy. Yeah you need the gun to shoot it out since it's a conduit, but at the end of the day that's still your energy being drawn out.
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Why? Cause Kaido keeps bringing up Oden? Bro he thought he was sensing Oden's haki in the scabbards. Unless Oden can permanently bestow his Haki on others, then it's likely that Kaido compares high level Haki to that of Oden.
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Enma just draws out more of Zoro's haki output than he can normally, his individual techniques still have an effect on his power.
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Similar to gear 4th
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The dude was parrying Kaido with both his arms. Unless Enma overrides Sandai Kitetsu too, then no.
Enma just forces out a greater haki output like Emin said.
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The scabbards drew quite a bit of blood each, Zoro with Killer's help without Enma barely scratched Kaido
Fair
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Both deflected Kaifu though which cleanly cut through Kiku and her sword.
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Weren't you the one who said that Zoro did that only due to Enma?
That's why Zoro with normal buso isn't 6-A.
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Because the sword multiplier would make his santoryu scale above the god tiers and the Asura multiplier on top of that would scale him even higher, there's no longer any issue with his buso scaling to that level now that the multiplier is gone.
You could make an argument that Enma was being used as a possibility due to the prior statement but nothing actually supports that being the case: There was no aura shown which is always the case with Enma, Kaidou didn't comment on it's haki and even the anime adaptation didn't show the Enma aura.
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Oh...
...seems like something to make a CRT about.
Btw while I support the Santoryu multiplier being removed, not too crazy about the Asura multiplier but not gonna die on that hill.
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I also noticed no Enma aura but I wasn't gonna make an argument about it.
Hopefully a CRT soon can be made to change that.
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No, because this would make trash tobiroppo scale to Kaidou and above the scabbards
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The only possible Tobiroppo who is at risk of scaling is X drake, and even then his Zoan form injured Apoo and CP0 complimented him abd said he put up a good fight.
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That's not an issue with Zoro, he's comparable to Killer who performed the same feat.
This falls down to X Drake being the outlier not Zoro since X Drake is the only one who scales below the Scabbards. Not Zoro and not Apoo.
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Apoo is quite frankly very relative to X Drake
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And his Zoan form injured Apoo.
Honestly I reiterate a proposal from the Wano threads that we can easily assume that Drake simply wasn't using his full power under Kaidos control and only used his true power after defecting.
I mean aside from the Apoo thing he was complimented by CP0 after they beat him for putting up a good fight and Apoo was quite scared of those guys
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We scale Apoos Devil fruit abd durability above what the scabbards scale to.
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yay
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I'm just saying, since you mentioned we scale Drake to Apoo.
Besides, it's not like anything says that Sasaki or Ulti or WW scale to or above Drake.
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Hey uh, I'm confused about our speed scaling for our profiles.
In terms of AP, we scale the Flying Six above Hawkins right?
Yet, in terms of speed, why don't we consider them (Alongside all of the straw hats) As Rel+? We rate base Hawkins that fast, and the flying six should be in that ballpark to, right?
In terms of AP, we scale the Flying Six above Hawkins right?
Yet, in terms of speed, why don't we consider them (Alongside all of the straw hats) As Rel+? We rate base Hawkins that fast, and the flying six should be in that ballpark to, right?
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Typical Zoro argument
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I mean Zoro didn't seem too serious before seeing Kiku's arm, but after that he realized he needed to get serious and took an A-poo on Apoo with Shishi sonson
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Literally.
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Sorry to bump this but:
Wasn't it already accepted that the Tobiroppo/Strawhats scale in speed here?
Were the changes stalled? I'm not really up to date on our current One Piece revisions.
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They should.
DaMonkeMan
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If they keep saying " this is my last attack " while trying to roast Kaidou's organs they'll win. They did it to Big Mom afterall.
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Facts, they'll used the same bullshit that they've give to bigmom.
