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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Stefano4444
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I didn't notice he was here lol, yeah he shouldn't get fully Low 5-B here as his best feat was overpower and potentially oneshotting Jack.
Thought considering that he potentially a member of Joyboy's crew you could argue that he could scale to Emet, so maybe a possibly would work better.
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No shot you listed Shakky
Stefano4444
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Considering that Gloriosa at her Prime was consider strong enough for Rocks to allow her in his crew of monsters, and that Shakky its her successor its not illogical to assume that they have similar strength, same could be apply Boa Hancock.
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She was literally a Kuja Empress... the island of Haki proficient warriors where the strongest out of all of them rules. You shouldn't be surprised that she's strong.
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I'd like to add Douzan, Gion and Tokikake (2 admiral candidates)
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Having S-Shark's durability, Kizaru, and Nusjuro on this list but not Sanji is pretty wild imo considering he had the upper hand at least once in his interactions with all three of them without using Ifrit Jambe a single time.
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That's the loosest possible powerscaling. "These two characters both knew Joyboy personally, so they scale to each other".
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Did Sanji ever manage to trully damage S-Shark with his Flame On? He overpower S-Shanks and can withstand his attacks, but still the fight then goes off screen and next time we only see already captured with the other Seraphins with no context of how it happen. There its also to account his flames have Limited Durability Negation meaning any damage may don't be based on pure AP.
And like even Post ACoC Luffy had difficulty damaging S-Bear and S-Hawk due of their Lunarian physiologies comparing them to Kaido and had to use Gear 4th to fight them, and i doubt Sanji even with Ifrit its suppost to be at that level (at least yet).
Nusjuro was not fighting him and was targeting the other Straw Hats when Sanji attack him so technically it was off guard and even then he quickly recover it.
And for Kizaru Sanji only blocked on laser which while did impress the admiral it didn't do much else, and later when he tried to protect Vegapunk he was unable to stop Kizaru who quickly kick him away before finish Vegapunk off for good.
I personally don't believe at the moment Sanji has any good justification for Low 5-B, maybe as possibly but that's it.
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Gion and Tokikake only as possibly as beside be admiral candidates they have nothing else.
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Yes, but Rayleigh also had to save her from base level Sommers.
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My problem isn't Shakky is strong, my problem is an acocless, fruitless, featless character can blow up a moon based on the fact she leads a bunch of fodder.
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Sanji made S-Shark (who apparently has Low 5-B durability) not only go white-eyed from a regular kick, but also made him react with visible shock and fear after Sanji casually face-tanked a point-blank attack similar to S-Hawk's reaction when fighting Zoro. That definitely indicates that Sanji was operating on a completely different level than any of the Seraphim.
Luffy never attacked S-Hawk once. In fact, S-Hawk ran away the moment Kaku and Zoro put up even the smallest bit of a fight so that he could target weaker opponents.
Luffy and Lucci struggled to damage S-Bear, who is explicitly stated to be far more durable than the other Seraphim. Sanji's peak having more firepower than a Boundman Luffy who isn't using any advanced Haki or Hybrid Lucci is not outrageous, and should honestly be the expectation given we're in the final saga lol.
Sanji was in front of Nusjuro, yelling and running straight to him. Sanji then deflected Nusjuro's sword and used it as a stepping stool before kicking him in the jaw.
So unless Nusjuro...
- Is deaf (couldn't hear Sanji call out to him)
- Is blind (couldn't see Sanji jump off his sword)
- Has terrible Observation Haki (despite constantly using it to detect Vegapunk's transponder snail)
How quickly he recovered is irrelevant because Egghead Sanji doesn't have Conqueror's Haki. Either way, this is just a false claim. Nusjuro did not recover from Sanji's kick. He had to make an entirely new Zoan head from his chest to bite Sanji. His head was still engulfed in flames and recoiled back from the force of Sanji's kick, meaning he couldn't even properly finish regenerating.
Keep in mind that Nusjuro is a Great Swordsman that has a Supreme Grade Blade. The fact that a nameless kick from Sanji without even activating his Exoskeleton or Ifrit Jambe was able to overpower a Haki-coated blade swung with the intent to kill by someone of Nusjuro's caliber is very impressive.
This is so dishonest. Notice how you only considered an off-guard attack as a valid feat when it was to demerit Sanji
Not only was Sanji literally facing the opposite direction as Kizaru and carrying 3 meter tall corpse in both arms, but Kizaru's kick only drew very minor amounts of blood from Sanji and wasn't even enough to knock him down. In fact, the literal next panel had Sanji recovering from the kick in roughly the same amount of time it took for Kizaru to launch a follow-up attack at Vegapunk.
Sanji vs Kizaru was a top tier feat no matter how you spin it. Sanji didn't "block" a laser. He destroyed it. It got popped as if somebody put a pin to a balloon. Kizaru didn't break the nonchalant persona he's been dragging on for 15 years in-story and say that he's in a pickle for being expected to defeat either Luffy or Sanji just for Sanji to not be considered to even possibly be on a similar playing field as him.
It's not even narratively inconsistent for Sanji to be capable of fighting Admirals as in the end of Wano, he sensed Aramaki's power and was still disappointed that he didn't get to fight him after Shanks interrupted.
Yeah this is wild to me and makes no sense at all. You have Aramaki, Kizaru, Saturn, S-Shark, and Nusjuro at Low 5-B, but not the character who can have an entire slideshow of just his feats against them made.
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Sommers is strong.Yes, but Rayleigh also had to save her from base level Sommers.
Shakky was already chained up by the time Sommers grabbed her, so I wouldn't say that it was a lack of strength that forced her to need saving.
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What tier is Kachon? xd
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8-A+ normally
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One Piece Wikia listed Douzan and War god different characters xd
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Because we don't know they're the same yet.
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That name drop from Imu will always be funny to me bc he had no business doing that
I like to imagine Imu as being somewhat nostalgic about the Void Century
