One Piece: Early Post-Timeskip and God Tiers AP Revision

[KingTempest]

Whatever tier base Luffy has

 

[WrongIdea21]

Option C seems good, I agree.

 

[Jibz]

Agree with Option C, also whats with all the needless conversation, felt like a slog reading through this thread T.T

 

[Therefir]

With my basic knowledge of One Piece and after reading this thread I agree with option C as well.

 

[14405User]

After reading this long thread, C's proponents and detractors have pretty solid arguments.

for now I'm leaning more towards C

 

[Stefano4444]

This also happened in Alabasta, Luffy was not supposed to beat Crocodile, he is shown to be comparable to Doffy and even some other top tiers who are 7-A.

Crocodile 7-A its from scaling to Marineford Luffy, we never treat him to be as strong as Doffy.

Beside, there its no good reason to scale Crocodile to someone like Doffy or any of the other top tiers in that arc.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

There is a difference between alabasta crocodile and MarineFord crocodile which is stated

 

[SnookB]

Does G4 Luffy's durability scale to his compression of 90 gigatons or only to his string-snapping 45 gigatons since I'm not sure if his compression is related to his durability.

Boundman's durability was never treated as equal to his compressed attacks, so I doubt it.
The 45 gigatons is safer since it's all his regular body motion creating that force.

 

[Eseseso]

Boundman's durability was never treated as equal to his compressed attacks, so I doubt it.
The 45 gigatons is safer since it's all his regular body motion creating that force.

That's exactly what I was thinking after looking at and think about the way Luffy's body has tanked attacks.

I very much agree that his durability should just be 45 gigatons for both your reasons and mine.

 

[SnookB]

• • Leo Bazooka: 181.25 Gigatons (High 6-C) due to it using 2 arms
• Doflamingo w/buso downscales from Gear 4th's AP: 52.15 Gigatons (6-C+)

About that. Shouldn't Doffy's durability scale to Leo Bazooka? He did tank it head on and continued fighting with awakening after.
Though this does mean G4 Luffy's own dura would upscale from Doffy's-

 

[Eseseso]

About that. Shouldn't Doffy's durability scale to Leo Bazooka? He did tank it head on and continued fighting with awakening after.
Though this does mean G4 Luffy's own dura would upscale from Doffy's-

I mean, as long as Doffy's AP is still only 6-C+ I don't see a problem with that.

The dude was a ******* TANK against G4.

 

[Eseseso]

Wait a sec, would Ittoryu Zoro and Gear 2nd+3rd Luffy scale above Doflamingo's 6-C+ rating due to them both knocking Issho back?

 

[Eminiteable]

Boundman's durability was never treated as equal to his compressed attacks, so I doubt it.
The 45 gigatons is safer since it's all his regular body motion creating that force.

If that's the case Doffy shouldn't backscale to 6-C+ as his awakening attacks weren't able to harm Boundman at all

 

[KillerH]

Didn't Shiki said he negates the gravitational pull of the object he touches and have full control over them? Or is this a mistranslation? If negating is the case I probably go for option B for now since potential energy is meaningless if there is no gravity to counter.

 

[Eseseso]

If that's the case Doffy shouldn't backscale to 6-C+ as his awakening attacks weren't able to harm Boundman at all

Agreed.

What should he scale to though?

Or rather, what is Base Luffy's durability? Because's that's what Doffy scales to (since he hurt Base Luffy), and that's what Ittoryu Zoro and Gear 2+3 Luffy scale above.

 

[Damage3245]

Didn't Shiki said he negates the gravitational pull of the object he touches and have full control over them? Or is this a mistranslation? If negating is the case I probably go for option B for now since potential energy is meaningless if there is no gravity to counter.

I haven't seen the entire film yet, but so far two potentially relevant statements that I've seen concerning his power are here and here.

 

[Eseseso]

If that's the case Doffy shouldn't backscale to 6-C+ as his awakening attacks weren't able to harm Boundman at all

Or maybe since Luffy snapped the 9 strings very easily we can just scale Boundman Luffy's durability to 6-C+, although I guess that Doffy would still not downscale to 6-C+ since as you said he didn't harm Boundman at all.

 

[Eminiteable]

Or maybe since Luffy snapped the 9 strings very easily we can just scale Boundman Luffy's durability to 6-C+

I'm not quite sure but I think that justification could be changing as the Parasito string G4 Luffy broke aren't the same thickness as the Birdcage ones which the calc scales too.

 

[Stefano4444]

I haven't seen the entire film yet, but so far two potentially relevant statements that I've seen concerning his power are here and here.

Well shit, that may actually invalidate Shiki's feats.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

If that's the case Doffy shouldn't backscale to 6-C+ as his awakening attacks weren't able to harm Boundman at all

His durability should.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

here

"Regardless of gravity"
@KingTempest We... can't really use PE for this.

 

[Stefano4444]

Guess Option B its then.

By the way, i also agree with the feats/scaling for Early Post-Timeskip.

 

[Eminiteable]

His durability should.

If his durability scales then Law's AP scales and thus Doffy's AP scales based on the justifications.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Well, the Shiki feat has been invalidaded mathematically. If you're fine with Option C, you are definitely okay with Option B, (because C would still include B's results for Fujitora specifically).
I'll be transferring y'all to Option B

If his durability scales then Law's AP scales and thus Doffy's AP scales based on the justifications.

When did Law break Doffy's durability with Buso?

 

[Eminiteable]

When did Law break Doffy's durability with Buso?

"Doflamingo bled when he caught his sword's attack while he was using Haki to defend himself"

 

[GodlyCharmander]

"Doflamingo bled when he caught his sword's attack while he was using Haki to defend himself"

We might need to add some references to this, I don't remember him doing that and only hurting Doffy with dura neg

 

[Kachon123]

When did Law break Doffy's durability with Buso?

 

[Kachon123]

I'll try to find a cleaner scan.

 

[Eminiteable]

We might need to add some references to this, I don't remember him doing that and only hurting Doffy with dura neg

Chapter 768, he didn't use any durability negation it was a sword strike.

 

[Stefano4444]

@GodlyCharmander You forgot Shiki's Zanpa.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

@GodlyCharmander You forgot Shiki's Zanpa.

Literally's been right there the whole time

 

[Kachon123]

Chapter 768, he didn't use any durability negation it was a sword strike.

Clearer image:

 

[GTsek]

I haven't seen the entire film yet, but so far two potentially relevant statements that I've seen concerning his power are here and here.

This looks like Oonoki's Gravity Reduction Jutsu

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Well, I think we got a very reasonable amount of users and staff approval, let me do the scaling then.

6-A

• Every God Tier

6-C

• 130.78 Gigatons: G4 Luffy's double-handed attacks, Golden Wrath of God
• 65.39 Gigatons: Luffy G4, Awakening Katakuri, Katakuri's Durability, Charlotte Cracker, Post-Katakuri Fight Gear 3rd Luffy
• 60.36 Gigatons: Asura Zoro
• 52.15 Gigatons: Doflamingo, Law, Hawkins.
• 20.12 Gigatons: Santoryu Zoro, Zoro's Durability, Pica's Durability, Overdosed Hyouzou's Durability.
• 13.41 Gigatons: Nitoryu Zoro, Pica's Physicals (This)
• 10.07 Gigatons: Hakuba, Jinbe underwater, Bartholomeo's Bari Bari durability
• 7.57 Gigatons: Monster Hody, Luffy G3rd Attacks, Chopper's Monster Point, Biscuit Soldiers, Charlotte Smoothie, Golden Tesoro, Katakuri's AP
• 6.70 Gigatons: Ittoryu Zoro
• 5.03 Gigatons: Nico Robin, Diamante, Kyros, Gear 2nd Luffy, Don Chinjao, Monet, Gladius, Batholomeo, Rob Lucci, Jinbe, Sabo, Viola's Durability, Tashigi, Wadatsumi, Vergo, Sanji Smoker, Charlotte Daifuku, Charlotte Oven, Bege, Sulong Carrot, Sulong Wanda, Urouge, Vinsmoke Judge, X Drake, Vinsmoke Ichiji's Sparkling Valkyrie, Niji's Dengeku Blue, Perospero's candy durability, Burgess, Ain, Hina, Koby, Gild Tesoro

High 7-A

• 1.89 Gigatons: Base Luffy, Overdosed Hody, Carrot, Charlotte Perospero, Pedro, Vinsmoke Ichiji, Vinsmoke Niji, Vinsmoke Yonji, Vinsmoke Reiju, Tamago, All-Hunt Grount, Bellamy (Haki)

7-A

• 108.57 Megatons: Shiryu

7-B+

• 59.17 Megatons: Caesar Clown, Senor Pink, Surume's Durability, Trebol, Bellamy

Please tell me if I got anything wrong, or if I missed anyone.

 

[KingTempest]

Where does 45 Gigatons come from and why does Smoothie scale to it
Where does 20 Gigatons come from and why does G3rd scale to it

 

[Eseseso]

Well, I think we got a very reasonable amount of users and staff approval, let me do the scaling then.

6-A

• Every God Tier

6-C

• 90.62 Gigatons: G4 Luffy's double-handed attacks.
• 45.31 Gigatons: Luffy G4, Charlotte Katakuri, Charlotte Cracker, Charlotte Smoothie
• 20.12 Gigatons: Luffy G3rd Attacks, Doflamingo, Bartholomeo's Bari Bari durability, Law, Kid, Hawkins, Roronoa Zoro (Santoryu), Pica, Vergo, Vinsmoke Sanji, Charlotte Daifuku, Charlotte Oven, Bege, Perospero's candy durability, Sulong Carrot, Sulong Wanda, Overdosed Hyouzou's Durability, Scratchmen Apoo, Urouge, Smoker, Vinsmoke Ichiji's Sparkling Valkyrie, Vinsmoke Judge, Niji's Dengeku Blue, X Drake, Chopper's Monster Point
• 10.07 Gigatons: Hakuba, Jinbe underwater
• 7.57 Gigatons: Monster Hody
• 5.03 Gigatons: Nico Robin, Diamante, Kyros, Gear 2nd Luffy, Don Chinjao, Monet, Gladius, Batholomeo, Lao G, Sai, Rob Lucci, Jinbe, Sabo, Viola's Durability, Tashigi, Wadatsumi

High 7-A

• 1.89 Gigatons: Base Luffy, Overdosed Hody, Carrot, Charlotte Perospero, Pedro, Vinsmoke Ichiji, Vinsmoke Niji, Vinsmoke Yonji, Vinsmoke Reiju, Tamago

7-A

• 108.57 Megatons: Shiryu

7-B+

• 59.17 Megatons: Caesar Clown, Senor Pink, Surume's Durability, Trebol

Please tell me if I got anything wrong, or if I missed anyone.

I'm sorry but why are the Vinsmokes only high 7-A?

And didn't we agree that Gear 3 doesn't scale 4x above Gear 2nd in a previous thread?
And doesn't Zoro in Ittoryu scale above Doflamingo for knocking Issho back when Doffy couldn't?

And btw I now support Option B so you can put me down for Option B in the OP

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Where does 45 Gigatons come from and why does Smoothie scale to it
Where does 20 Gigatons come from and why does G3rd scale to it

45 Gigatons comes from Luffy breaking the strings with compression. Smoothie ~ Cracker ~ G4's durability.

20 Gigatons comes from Hyouzou's 4x amp over G2-level durability, G3rd scales due to breaking Pica's statue.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I'm sorry but why are the Vinsmokes only high 7-A?

Going by the accepted scaling. They scale to Pedro apparently.

And didn't we agree that Gear 3 doesn't scale 4x above Gear 2nd in a previous thread?

??? That's not the reasoning.

And doesn't Zoro in Ittoryu scale above Doflamingo for knocking Issho back when Doffy couldn't?

No.

And btw I now support Option B.

k

 

[Eminiteable]

20 Gigatons comes from Hyouzou's 4x amp over G2-level durability, G3rd scales due to breaking Pica's statue.

Pica's statue wouldn't scale to that and honestly Pica scaling to Hyouzou isn't accurate either.

 

[Eseseso]

20 Gigatons comes from Hyouzou's 4x amp over G2-level durability, G3rd scales due to breaking Pica's statue.

Oooh, THAT'S why G3 scales 4x above G2, sorry that was my mistake.

Could I see a scan for this though just to see the feat?