An exaggeration but this seems like the point you were making (unless I'm wrong); Doffy praised Vergo's haki not getting bypassed by Law (and was proven wrong) so due to that praise his durability should be above Pica who wasn't mentioned or implied in the praise.
1st one fought Smoker. 2nd one fought Doffy.
I have no idea. It's based on however Zoro does it inverse.
They were literally in a group with Zoro years prior to the current story. I would honestly consider them the most reliable sources on Zoro in the verse.
Superior to Smoker, superior to Vergo's Haki.
No, my argument was similar, but the conclusion was not that great.
Doflamingo dogged Smoker in a heartbeat.
Doflamingo is still stronger than Law too, so why's that a contradiction?
Doflamingo and Law clashed like 4 times. He isn't stronger than Law.
Fair enough
They don't seem to know him as well as Luffy at least but I'll drop this since it isn't important to the thread.
It can be strong, sure, but there's no point of comparison for his durability and Pica's who he himself claims is invincible with his haki suggesting he is pretty strong in that department by his own statement.
They used to. They don't anymore.
I thought he was one of the top three officers or something like that?
Yeah he does have that but no other character in the series has super armament haki, and I'm not certain if you're implying this but we wouldn't scale his actual haki durability/potency over others because of that.
I'm saying that scaling anyone's Haki to his over anything that isn't solid is just unfounded
He was like a decade ago or so alongside trebol and diamante, I agree with Tempest we shouldn't be scaling any of them to each other.
My bad, I missed SnookB's message before seeing yours.
Update
Doffy would backscale from his regular AP, so 52.15 GT
I'm probably missing something but where are these characters getting 20 Gigatons from?
Slightly confused where Law and Doffy end up at 20 GT
Oof, you read my mind
It just said he trained his armament to the point of where he could cover his entire body, just like vergo
Yep it's talking about Haki skill, I'm not sure this is for potency. Kinda like how Vista's VC calls him an armament master that can make black blades simialr to Zoro's VC stating he can do the same.
Well, my bad.
I'll translate it again but the rough translation last time I did said vergo had awesome armament haki while pica was a master in armament haki
I don't think so as there was instances of Luffy getting harmed while Doffy wasn't even using full buso koka (the 6-C+ rating)
What would Luffy's Buso dura scale to? Certainly above his AP, right?
Honestly its just about to get a "higher with Busoshoku Haki" or we remove it from the page
Either options Tempest said work imo
Pica>Vergo in terms of armament haki
How come? IIRC didn't one of them hurt Sanji?
When he was off guard and threatened and forced to lower his guard.
Context.
Ok that's fair.
Question or we sure the Calc doesn't work? In terms of other devil fruits are said to be stronger?
even tho it doesn't scale to shiki?
Nevermind, i thought Shiki was using his devil fruit power to perform that feat.
