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I agree with option C
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One Piece: Early Post-Timeskip and God Tiers AP Revision
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1: Film Z uses the same logic. Luffy stalemates an admiral tier before Dressrosa and no one argued lowering Z himself to Luffy's tier.
2: Luffy beating Shiki is a Luffy outlier, not a Shiki outlier. Shiki did that feat when he was younger.
Young Shiki=Roger=WB, who's stated to have not gotten weaker; Therefore they all scale to each other.
3: The other accepted god tier feat scales below it yet is done by a:
A- Weaker God Tier
B- a god tier who literally said he's testing his abilities
Even if movie Shiki doesn't scale to it ANYMORE, Prime Shiki does, therefore Roger and WB both do. As well as Akainu for fighting WB, and the other god tiers for scaling chain reasons.
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Anyway i fully agree on the Beginning of Post-Timeskip new AP/Scaling, but for the god tiers i'm going to neutral for now
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Was Therefir's Bajrang Gun calc not accepted?
That's another 6-A calc (even though it uses a smaller Onigashima size I think. The value would likely be slightly higher if KT's Onigashima size was used)
I agree with everything- though a translation on Cavendish's x2 reasoning would be nice. I agree with option C for the god tiers. Unless there are good arguments that change Shiki's feat, then I think it's fair to use.
That's another 6-A calc (even though it uses a smaller Onigashima size I think. The value would likely be slightly higher if KT's Onigashima size was used)
I agree with everything- though a translation on Cavendish's x2 reasoning would be nice. I agree with option C for the god tiers. Unless there are good arguments that change Shiki's feat, then I think it's fair to use.
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Not a problem, we don't use Energy levels to determine gaps in power. It's a High 6-B being upgraded to 6-A. It's a marginal upgrade at best.
Also, WB's calcs are not the fullest extent of the feats, because, what a surprise, no one knows how to calculate an actual earthquake, taking into account all the kinetic/unrealistic stuff said feat does.
No reason to assume that.
Energy level comparisons are not valid concerts unless the gap in tiering is too large.
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Once he's KO'D forcibly they fall. Like Doffy's birdcage and Kaido's clouds. His endurance is what holds them up.
We also see him literally throwing things forward once his ability levitates them. It isn't a floating ability like, say, Uraraka. They float initially, then he can throw them at you, create entire structures (like the mountain lions attack) and whatnot. It's as offensive as it can get when he wants it to be.
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Both? He kinetically controls anything his DF is controlling.
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Oh right. My b.
Great work as always by the way!
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Y’all go learn the difference between powerscaling and feats
Also, Luffy has no reason to scale to Shiki’s DF, so cut that out
Also, Luffy has no reason to scale to Shiki’s DF, so cut that out
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Bro I didn't even do anything on this thread.
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Quick question, since this is only beginning of Post-TS, none of these changes would apply to whole cake island characters like katakuri right? since g4th dressrosa is going up
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The WCI Arc might be discussed in different thread, at least from what i'm assumpting
Anyway i'm going to stop here so we're not going to derailing this thread
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Question, does using this new justification effect BM's ratings at all?
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I assume it's because between Dressrosa, WCI and beginning of wano there aren't new scalings specifically to add, so the non-god tiers that fought Luffy (and others) from those arcs just scale to the values found in Dressrosa and back.
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Big Mom
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Bound man
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Yup.
Scales above a random amount of strings
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So does the new justification effect boundman's ratings listed in the OP or will it remain the same.
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Honestly it might stay the same since Luffy destroyed a numerous amount of strings in the headbutt he did, and it appeared to be at least a lot more than the 9 used in the parasite
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Wouldn't the headbutt also count as a compressed attack?
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Yeah but the multiplier wouldn’t be added onto that
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Portuguese moment
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Momento Brasileiro em thread de gringo.
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Eu to aqui por sua causa pra inicio de conversa, but anyway, we will discuss wholecake scaling on a different minor thread?
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Why? They mostly upscale from these feats
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No hablo macaco
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WCI isn’t a new thread. It’s the same thread as this
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Hm... i disagree with beginning on wholecake luffy being = to dressrosa luffy, based on the sanji scaling, but i doubt the make of a new key and i know there is people ready to slap me so i prefer to not go any further
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We can discuss that… here
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Since the Oven feat is now useless, does Gear 2+3 Luffy now just scale above G3 (whatever that scales to)?
And when Zoro one-shot a 4x Hyouzou, how many swords did he use? Because that could really determine his post-timeskip scaling values, now that him staggering Fujitora doesn't have any known scaling value IIRC.
And when Zoro one-shot a 4x Hyouzou, how many swords did he use? Because that could really determine his post-timeskip scaling values, now that him staggering Fujitora doesn't have any known scaling value IIRC.
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Sure...
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Like my main point is just that zou - beginning of wholecake luffy get an key, scaling base luffy to sanji in that specific moment of the story which... kinda upgrades a lot of other wholecake keys... if this start to become text long stuff i will instantly give up
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Base Luffy not scaling to Sanji
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Meh, as much as i disagree, i can live in a world whitout it
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Btw what tier that Carrot would get?
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