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Is this with the headbutt if so how do we know how many strings he broke in that instance?
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One Piece: Early Post-Timeskip and God Tiers AP Revision
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Pica ~ Vergo => Base Sanji
Pica > Hyouzou's durability
(Zoro fodderized Hyouzou with an unnamed attack)
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I may have misunderstood y'all point, but you should've explained it to me so I'd update the OP.
Headbutt > A lot of thick awakening strings > at least superior to the 6 that cut the meteor then, updating
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What's the evidence for Pica ~ Vergo?
Zoro one-shot with a purgatory onigiri, Pica never took a named attack from Santoryu Zoro.
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This seems fine unless anybody else has something to add.
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Fail to see why Smoothie scales relative to Cracker.
Safest thing is that she scales above all the other BM pirates, not relative to Cracker
Emin handled the G3rd stuff
Scale him to 13, made the awakening strings go out in 13 different places, implying at least 13 got broken
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Vergo is one of the Top Four Executives, he shouldn't be too inferior (Also, Doflamingo nominated Vergo to become the next "Corazon")
Vergo is also Doflamingo's Right Hand Man, which Pica was not.
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Give Zoro a different rating for his stronger attacks.
No reason why his regular AP is based off of an Oni Giri justification
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They are the top four executives because they were the initial people to give Doflamingo a family and help him kill his dad.
It's not a strength based thing, especially when there are certain groups that certain executives (diamante) rule over strength wise, and others that aren't.
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Yeah he finished him off with one of his strongest santoryu attacks, but regardless Pica hadn't taken a single Santoryu attack (or any attack for that matter) to justify him scaling above hyouzou.Did you-
Oh he just used his strongest attack on him, nothing major!
the next corazon is just the heart position which is the same rank as the others, we don't treat the executives as equals as is this case with Trebol.
He referred to him as partner but Vergo left the crew and since then either of the two could have become stronger.
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I don't think it's needed as in the terms of strength for Zoro's santoryu the onigiri is classified as a basic technique. And Pica himself never matched even a regular no named Santoryu Zoro. The few shots we get we see Nitoryu Zoro was fully capable of stopping his strikes.
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What do you suggest?
Hyouzou was one shot by a Onigiri.
Zoro had to use Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai in order to accomplish the same effect. An Onigiri wouldn't do this, otherwise he'd have used it.
Like, this is pretty straightforward, I don't know what else you want.
Vergo left the crew and went to be a Marine, he had Marine training, and reasons to become stronger to get a higher position.
Pica and the others becoming stronger is unfounded, and even then, Doflamingo praised Vergo's Armament Haki, saying Law wouldn't be able to break it.
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I'm aware and glad you brought it up, Pica got hit with that attack because he was appearing at the top of the statue. Pica's body only took a small percentage of that attack due to the size of it and the size of him.
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Emin, I don't get why you're against this so hard, Hyouzou got treated as a joke that "couldn't even kill his boredom", Pica didn't get nearly the same treatment
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Breaking Pica's statue isn't a 20 Gigaton feat.
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Durability doesn't equate to strength that's why. Hyouzou was a joke because he was physically weak compared to Zoro. Pica hadn't shown the ability to scale to Hyouzou's durability as he was also one-shot.
I don't agree with scaling someone to someone else's durability when both got one-shot by Santoryu and when that character has no other feats showing them relative to that.
And even scaling Pica's physical durability to Hyouzou's doesn't result in Pica's physicals scaling nor would anybody scale relative to Pica's physical durability.
Doflamingo was wrong, both have the same haki skill. This isn't a clear statement of comparability.
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How about, "Doflamingo had to use strings to block G3rd, implying he would've been damaged if he took it head-on"?
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fair
For me, it's evidence enough.
"I need my strongest attack to one shot you. I just needed a basic technique to one shot this other fodder."
I wasn't saying it was a comparability, I said Doflamingo praised Vergo. No way Vergo is inferior to the others by a significative margin if Doflamingo is praising him like that.
He also called Sanji DJ "strong", which Vergo could take with his Tekkai.
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Personally I don't like those kinds of justifications for a solid rating. We've seen Doflamingo take minimal damage from Luffy's Gear 2 attacks and called them weak, but he still blocked them or dodged them on occasion.
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He blocked them with his own Haki, though. Doffy being so much stronger than G3rd where he should be able to casually block it doesn't make much sense to me.
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It's classified as a basic technique because its execution is basic. He's charging at someone with his swords held up straight.
He flat out implies it's a very strong move. Even when he uses it it shows implications of extremely strong power.
This being Zoro's regular AP is humorously invalid.
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Again, what's your suggestion?
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The Pica who was one-shot by a sanzen sekai had just clad himself in full body armament which he stated made him invincible and seemingly believes cutting the statue would do nothing to him like this. Even scaling Pica's durability to Hyouzou doesn't warrant anybody else scaling to his durability.
I don't think that's what it means at all, it calls the onigiri "A basic move in zoro's three sword style." while a stronger one was called "His strongest move". There isn't any implication that it's one of Zoro's strongest and the examples you give don't suggest that; his technique was stopped with a tiny knife, his move matched one of Luffy standard moves the bazooka, he took down a guy who he was fighting previously with just two swords and no haki and I'm not quite sure what you're implying with the last two in Onigashima.
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Vergo's Haki shouldn't be too much weaker given Doflamingo praised him for this.
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I 100% agree.It's classified as a basic technique because its execution is basic. He's charging at someone with his swords held up straight.
He flat out implies it's a very strong move. Even when he uses it it shows implications of extremely strong power.
This being Zoro's regular AP is humorously invalid.
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His haki was overpowered by Dressrosa Law who scales to 5 Gigatons, Doflamingo didn't know the strength of current Law. All this says about Doffy is he didn't believe Law could cut him and was wrong. It doesn't now make Haki Vergo scale above everybody Doffy knows.
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Dressrosa Law scales to 20 Gigatons, he damages Doflamingo himself.
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This is punk hazard Law
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Like 90 different things
Scaling above Monet's snow which scales to G2nd
Scaling above that Giant Fish which was stronger than G2nd
Casually superior to Hyouzou who cut the steel which Base Luffy dented
Too many different things
This means the stronger one is his strongest, and there are other techniques in the Santoryu style which are also stronger than his regular 3 sword style sword strings
The people who flat out watched Zoro prior to him joining the strawhats hyped up the Oni Giri
One of Luffy's strongest moves* if not his absolute strongest move at that point in time in the series
Alright
That they're implied to be stronger techniques and not just his regular AP. Heck, you think he used Onigiri against Kaidou and was like "damn this is my casual move and it didn't work"
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Shiki says he can "levitate AND CONTROL" whatever he touches.
We see time and time again him controlling the islands' landscapes and even actively throwing massive rocks. There's literally no reason he couldn't also throw that entire landmass all the same except for the fact that he didn't, because his goal solely relies on its existence.
Edit: Noticed calc got yote. Nvm
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Char add this to the OP
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The difference between the two is none.
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we split a difference in the last CRT
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Way ahead of you
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There're a lot of things I don't want in my mouth, and words is one of them.
I never said that.
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What's the difference?
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Yeah I get that but I don't really understand what difference could be made between this attack and his regular santoryu style unless with his other techniques he's not using all three swords in conjunction?
I wouldn't consider these two to have the best insight on Zoro in general. I don't think this is a display of Zoro using an attack that amps himself beyond his regular strikes, as described it's him attacking the same spot with all three blades at the same time.
Fair enough
One is relative to Smoker and Vergo, the other cut through Doffy's haki.
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