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Is this with the headbutt if so how do we know how many strings he broke in that instance?45 Gigatons comes from Luffy breaking the strings with compression. Smoothie ~ Cracker ~ G4's durability.
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Is this with the headbutt if so how do we know how many strings he broke in that instance?45 Gigatons comes from Luffy breaking the strings with compression. Smoothie ~ Cracker ~ G4's durability.
???????????????????????Pica's statue wouldn't scale to that and honestly Pica scaling to Hyouzou isn't accurate either.
I may have misunderstood y'all point, but you should've explained it to me so I'd update the OP.Is this with the headbutt if so how do we know how many strings he broke in that instance?
What's the evidence for Pica ~ Vergo????????????????????????
Pica ~ Vergo => Base Sanji
Pica > Hyouzou's durability
(Zoro fodderized Hyouzou with an unnamed attack)
This seems fine unless anybody else has something to add.I may have misunderstood y'all point, but you should've explained it to me so I'd update the OP.
Headbutt > A lot of thick awakening strings > at least superior to the 6 that cut the meteor then, updating
Did you-What's the evidence for Pica ~ Vergo?
Zoro one-shot with a purgatory onigiri, Pica never took a named attack from Santoryu Zoro.
Fail to see why Smoothie scales relative to Cracker.45 Gigatons comes from Luffy breaking the strings with compression. Smoothie ~ Cracker ~ G4's durability.
Emin handled the G3rd stuff20 Gigatons comes from Hyouzou's 4x amp over G2-level durability, G3rd scales due to breaking Pica's statue.
Headbutt > A lot of thick awakening strings > at least superior to the 6 that cut the meteor then, updating
Vergo is one of the Top Four Executives, he shouldn't be too inferior (Also, Doflamingo nominated Vergo to become the next "Corazon")What's the evidence for Pica ~ Vergo?
Give Zoro a different rating for his stronger attacks.(Zoro fodderized Hyouzou with an unnamed attack)
They are the top four executives because they were the initial people to give Doflamingo a family and help him kill his dad.Vergo is one of the Top Four Executives, he shouldn't be too inferior (Also, Doflamingo nominated Vergo to become the next "Corazon")
Yeah he finished him off with one of his strongest santoryu attacks, but regardless Pica hadn't taken a single Santoryu attack (or any attack for that matter) to justify him scaling above hyouzou.Did you-
Oh he just used his strongest attack on him, nothing major!
the next corazon is just the heart position which is the same rank as the others, we don't treat the executives as equals as is this case with Trebol.Vergo is one of the Top Four Executives, he shouldn't be too inferior (Also, Doflamingo nominated Vergo to become the next "Corazon")
Vergo is also Doflamingo's Right Hand Man, which Pica was not.
Yeah he finished him off with one of his strongest santoryu attacks, but regardless Pica hadn't taken a single Santoryu attack (or any attack for that matter) to justify him scaling above hyouzou.
I don't think it's needed as in the terms of strength for Zoro's santoryu the onigiri is classified as a basic technique. And Pica himself never matched even a regular no named Santoryu Zoro. The few shots we get we see Nitoryu Zoro was fully capable of stopping his strikes.Give Zoro a different rating for his stronger attacks.
No reason why his regular AP is based off of an Oni Giri justification
What do you suggest?Give Zoro a different rating for his stronger attacks.
No reason why his regular AP is based off of an Oni Giri justification
Hyouzou was one shot by a Onigiri.Yeah he finished him off with one of his strongest santoryu attacks, but regardless Pica hadn't taken a single Santoryu attack (or any attack for that matter) to justify him scaling above hyouzou.
Vergo left the crew and went to be a Marine, he had Marine training, and reasons to become stronger to get a higher position.He referred to him as partner but Vergo left the crew and since then either of the two could have become stronger.
I'm aware and glad you brought it up, Pica got hit with that attack because he was appearing at the top of the statue. Pica's body only took a small percentage of that attack due to the size of it and the size of him.
Emin, I don't get why you're against this so hard, Hyouzou got treated as a joke that "couldn't even kill his boredom", Pica didn't get nearly the same treatmentI'm aware and glad you brought it up, Pica got hit with that attack because he was appearing at the top of the statue. Pica's body only took a small percentage of that attack due to the size of it and the size of him.
G3rd scales due to breaking Pica's statue.
Durability doesn't equate to strength that's why. Hyouzou was a joke because he was physically weak compared to Zoro. Pica hadn't shown the ability to scale to Hyouzou's durability as he was also one-shot.Emin, I don't get why you're against this so hard, Hyouzou got treated as a joke that "couldn't even kill his boredom", Pica didn't get nearly the same treatment
I don't agree with scaling someone to someone else's durability when both got one-shot by Santoryu and when that character has no other feats showing them relative to that.Hyouzou was one shot by a Onigiri.
Zoro had to use Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai in order to accomplish the same effect. An Onigiri wouldn't do this, otherwise he'd have used it.
Like, this is pretty straightforward, I don't know what else you want.
Doflamingo was wrong, both have the same haki skill. This isn't a clear statement of comparability.Vergo left the crew and went to be a Marine, he had Marine training, and reasons to become stronger to get a higher position.
Pica and the others becoming stronger is unfounded, and even then, Doflamingo praised Vergo's Armament Haki, saying Law wouldn't be able to break it.
How about, "Doflamingo had to use strings to block G3rd, implying he would've been damaged if he took it head-on"?Breaking Pica's statue isn't a 20 Gigaton feat.
fairDurability doesn't equate to strength that's why. Hyouzou was a joke because he was physically weak compared to Zoro. Pica hadn't shown the ability to scale to Hyouzou's durability as he was also one-shot
For me, it's evidence enough.I don't agree with scaling someone to someone else's durability when both got one-shot by Santoryu and when that character has no other feats showing them relative to that.
I wasn't saying it was a comparability, I said Doflamingo praised Vergo. No way Vergo is inferior to the others by a significative margin if Doflamingo is praising him like that.Doflamingo was wrong, both have the same haki skill. This isn't a clear statement of comparability.
Personally I don't like those kinds of justifications for a solid rating. We've seen Doflamingo take minimal damage from Luffy's Gear 2 attacks and called them weak, but he still blocked them or dodged them on occasion.How about, "Doflamingo had to use strings to block G3rd, implying he would've been damaged if he took it head-on"?
He blocked them with his own Haki, though. Doffy being so much stronger than G3rd where he should be able to casually block it doesn't make much sense to me.Personally I don't like those kinds of justifications for a solid rating. We've seen Doflamingo take minimal damage from Luffy's Gear 2 attacks and called them weak, but he still blocked them or dodged them on occasion.
It's classified as a basic technique because its execution is basic. He's charging at someone with his swords held up straight.I don't think it's needed as in the terms of strength for Zoro's santoryu the onigiri is classified as a basic technique.
Again, what's your suggestion?This being Zoro's regular AP is humorously invalid.
I edited this part of the message:For me, it's evidence enough.
"I need my strongest attack to one shot you. I just needed a basic technique to one shot this other fodder."
The Pica who was one-shot by a sanzen sekai had just clad himself in full body armament which he stated made him invincible and seemingly believes cutting the statue would do nothing to him like this. Even scaling Pica's durability to Hyouzou doesn't warrant anybody else scaling to his durability.And even scaling Pica's physical durability to Hyouzou's doesn't result in Pica's physicals scaling nor would anybody scale relative to Pica's physical durability.
I don't think that's what it means at all, it calls the onigiri "A basic move in zoro's three sword style." while a stronger one was called "His strongest move". There isn't any implication that it's one of Zoro's strongest and the examples you give don't suggest that; his technique was stopped with a tiny knife, his move matched one of Luffy standard moves the bazooka, he took down a guy who he was fighting previously with just two swords and no haki and I'm not quite sure what you're implying with the last two in Onigashima.It's classified as a basic technique because its execution is basic. He's charging at someone with his swords held up straight.
He flat out implies it's a very strong move. Even when he uses it it shows implications of extremely strong power.
Vergo's Haki shouldn't be too much weaker given Doflamingo praised him for this.The Pica who was one-shot by a sanzen sekai had just clad himself in full body armament which he stated made him invincible and seemingly believes cutting the statue would do nothing to him like this. Even scaling Pica's durability to Hyouzou doesn't warrant anybody else scaling to his durability.
I 100% agree.It's classified as a basic technique because its execution is basic. He's charging at someone with his swords held up straight.
He flat out implies it's a very strong move. Even when he uses it it shows implications of extremely strong power.
This being Zoro's regular AP is humorously invalid.
His haki was overpowered by Dressrosa Law who scales to 5 Gigatons, Doflamingo didn't know the strength of current Law. All this says about Doffy is he didn't believe Law could cut him and was wrong. It doesn't now make Haki Vergo scale above everybody Doffy knows.Vergo's Haki shouldn't be too much weaker given Doflamingo praised him for this.
Dressrosa Law scales to 20 Gigatons, he damages Doflamingo himself.His haki was overpowered by Dressrosa Law who scales to 5 Gigatons, Doflamingo didn't know the strength of current Law
This is punk hazard LawDressrosa Law scales to 20 Gigatons, he damages Doflamingo himself.
Like 90 different thingsAgain, what's your suggestion?
This means the stronger one is his strongest, and there are other techniques in the Santoryu style which are also stronger than his regular 3 sword style sword stringsI don't think that's what it means at all, it calls the onigiri "A basic move in zoro's three sword style." while a stronger one was called "His strongest move".
The people who flat out watched Zoro prior to him joining the strawhats hyped up the Oni GiriThere isn't any implication that it's one of Zoro's strongest and the examples you give don't suggest that; his technique was stopped with a tiny knife,
One of Luffy's strongest moves* if not his absolute strongest move at that point in time in the serieshis move matched one of Luffy standard moves the bazooka,
Alrighthe took down a guy who he was fighting previously with just two swords and no haki
That they're implied to be stronger techniques and not just his regular AP. Heck, you think he used Onigiri against Kaidou and was like "damn this is my casual move and it didn't work"and I'm not quite sure what you're implying with the last two in Onigashima.
Didn't Shiki said he negates the gravitational pull of the object he touches and have full control over them? Or is this a mistranslation? If negating is the case I probably go for option B for now since potential energy is meaningless if there is no gravity to counter.
Shiki says he can "levitate AND CONTROL" whatever he touches.Well shit, that may actually invalidate Shiki's feats.
Char add this to the OPScale him to 13, made the awakening strings go out in 13 different places, implying at least 13 got broken
The difference between the two is none.This is punk hazard Law
we split a difference in the last CRTThe difference between the two is none.
Way ahead of youChar add this to the OP
????It doesn't now make Haki Vergo scale above everybody Doffy knows.
What's the difference?we split a difference in the last CRT
Yeah I get that but I don't really understand what difference could be made between this attack and his regular santoryu style unless with his other techniques he's not using all three swords in conjunction?This means the stronger one is his strongest, and there are other techniques in the Santoryu style which are also stronger than his regular 3 sword style sword strings
I wouldn't consider these two to have the best insight on Zoro in general. I don't think this is a display of Zoro using an attack that amps himself beyond his regular strikes, as described it's him attacking the same spot with all three blades at the same time.The people who flat out watched Zoro prior to him joining the strawhats hyped up the Oni Giri
Fair enoughOne of Luffy's strongest moves* if not his absolute strongest move at that point in time in the series
One is relative to Smoker and Vergo, the other cut through Doffy's haki.The difference between the two is none.