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One Piece Chapter 1092: "The Tyrant Kuma's Rampage Through The Holy Land" (Fan Translation)
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I thought the main consensus in every battle forum, including vsbattles, was that Kizaru’s fight is going to make or break the OP speed meta? Obviously this chapter is going to have a huge impact on the scaling.
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Somehow, magically, when it gets to kizaru specifically that rule conveniently doesn't apply anymore.
Because photons can explode.
Because photons can be made into swords..
You have to convince me Kizaru is the one single outlier to the "devil fruit's base grows with the user" before you even make the argument that LS is his end all be all. Unless mfs are ready to argue kizaru's full potential as a photon man is... glowing brighter
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Kizaru never said that he's accelerating his speed
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That's the same way Luffy's rubber arm moves faster by using a "boost" through rubber. It's fiction. If he says he's faster, we have to sit Oda down and make him believe that what he wrote is wrong
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I fail to see how "acceleration" implies "I'm accelerating my power" and not "accelerating to increase my power"
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Man literally said "acceleration is power" as we visually see the light begin to accelerate.
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We act like One Piece elements don't exceed their showings anyway.
Akainu's magma scientifically should be nowhere near burning ace, yet his magma is the hottest thing to exist in a verse where a lightning fruit, flame fruit, and a dude with blue flames exist.
CROCODILE is sand and he should be glassed by being near Akainu yet he splits the guy in half with zero affects to his sand.
Again, you're all looking at the user's abilities from the "base" standpoint, not from the fact that all these guys had 20+ years to train their powers to become even more powerful. This entire argument is stupid.
Akainu's magma scientifically should be nowhere near burning ace, yet his magma is the hottest thing to exist in a verse where a lightning fruit, flame fruit, and a dude with blue flames exist.
CROCODILE is sand and he should be glassed by being near Akainu yet he splits the guy in half with zero affects to his sand.
Again, you're all looking at the user's abilities from the "base" standpoint, not from the fact that all these guys had 20+ years to train their powers to become even more powerful. This entire argument is stupid.
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Okay now you're just taking the piss
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2 dudes, Sanji & Ceaser
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Weird how that guy's gas but has the freedom of MHS movement instead of only traveling at the average speed of a gas cloud in room temperature...
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Kizaru made that statement while charging an other attack from a large distance but Kizaru previous attack still blitzed Luffy and and there is no proof that his previous attack was beyond LS
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Couldn't the acceleration that Kizaru used for the attack simply be just him using the force from accelerating to LS? Hell you can see there is already a beam of light ahead of Kizaru before he uses the attack. Why would a beam of light be ahead of Kizaru if he is already moving at LS? He then catches up to it by accelerating and then uses the KE generated to kick Luffy. Seems simple enough.
Only way I can see the FTL is you believe that before acceleration Kizaru is already moving at LS. If that is the case, then when he catches up to the beam ahead of him then he has to be moving FTL.
Only way I can see the FTL is you believe that before acceleration Kizaru is already moving at LS. If that is the case, then when he catches up to the beam ahead of him then he has to be moving FTL.
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... Why now and only about this?Is there some new tweet/vid that got popular or something
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He was ALREADY in his photon form. He was already LS since he took off. He accelerated while in that form for greater speeds, which is why we see his comperssed photon form SHOCKWAVE THREE TIMES before releasing
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I hope that Luffy doesn't actually beat Kizaru and instead is distracted by Saturn arriving, allowing a weakened Kizaru to escape where Sanji faces him (cope)
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But why is there a beam of light ahead of him before he accelerates if he is already moving at LS? Sorry I don't One Piece scale I just lurk from time to time so I don't really know how light behaves in this verse.
Where are these new users coming from speaking bs?
Is there some new tweet/vid that got popular or something
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... Then maybe disc server linked this thread or something 
idk just confusing why there's new people here
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He does that to make a path to where he's going to move to
LS
FTL
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Ok so he shot the beam out and then traveled through it.He does that to make a path to where he's going to move to
LS
FTL
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YeeOk so he shot the beam out and then traveled through it.
You can see that the rounded light is where he's at via the text bubble
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And Luffy couldn't perceive him when he took off...
Luffy's FTL attacks also failed to reach him when he took off
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It seems that there’s gonna a never ending debate about the scan where Kizaru accelerates since some would say that you could argue either side 50/50. There are only 2 options: Kizaru traveled at LS or faster. IMO, obviously feel free to disagree, the best way to go around this is to look at the previous page.
Snakeman’s point blank attack got outsped by Kizaru’s basic LS form without any acceleration. He also got perception blitzed and couldn’t tell where Kizaru flew to until he shined like a flashlight. I can’t see this being anything other than clear cut evidence that Snakeman Luffy is slower than LS, and by quite a large amount too considering the distance Kizaru traveled.
Snakeman’s point blank attack got outsped by Kizaru’s basic LS form without any acceleration. He also got perception blitzed and couldn’t tell where Kizaru flew to until he shined like a flashlight. I can’t see this being anything other than clear cut evidence that Snakeman Luffy is slower than LS, and by quite a large amount too considering the distance Kizaru traveled.
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Bs of bs
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Can I ask for your reasoning?Bs of bs
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Where is it shown that he couldn't perceive Kizaru?And Luffy couldn't perceive him when he took off...
Luffy's FTL attacks also failed to reach him when he took off
This scene to me just shows that Luffy is confused/surprised that Kizaru flew really far away
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Luffy kept looking at the same spot Kizaru was in until he realized that Kizaru disappeared
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Don't wanna debate but sure... Basically you're just headcanoning what actually happened
Luffy didn't know why he went away... Which is why he was confused. You can even see before mid movement, luffy looking and reacting to kizaru flying away (kizaru is still moving via looking at the action lines and appearing bigger compared to the left panel)
Luffy even reacts to the accelerated kizaru even more denying your interpretation/headcanon
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He was confused as to why Kizaru flew away, that's why he goes "hm?!"Luffy kept looking at the same spot Kizaru was in until he realized that Kizaru disappeared
Nothing in the panel or chapter implies that he got perception blitzed
Heck the scene right after shows him reacting to Kizaru's movement with him going "!!!!" when Kizaru is dashing at him at light speed
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It's also the notification mark as well
This is perception blitz, something that didn't happen at all with kizaru
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You’re ignoring the first panel of the first scan you posted where Luffy was still looking at Kizaru’s previous position despite him being long gone, as well as the previous page when Snakeman’s point blank attack failed to hit Kizaru.Don't wanna debate but sure... Basically you're just headcanoning what actually happened
Luffy didn't know why he went away... Which is why he was confused. You can even see before mid movement, luffy looking and reacting to kizaru flying away (kizaru is still moving via looking at the action lines and appearing bigger compared to the left panel)
Luffy even reacts to the accelerated kizaru even more denying your interpretation/headcanon
Kizaru was hundreds of meters to potentially a few KMs away from Egghead, it’s not far fetched at all for Luffy to have at least have some sort of reaction to Kizaru charging at him. Snakeman’s slower than light, but not to the extent that he can’t perceive it from such a distance with prep time (Kizaru floating there and then charging up the attack).
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You also need to remember that Kizaru was outside the island, and Luffy was already looking at him before he accelerated. In the panel after Kizaru disappears, it shows Luffy with his hand on face, After Kizaru speeds up, Luffy notices but can't even block, and again: Kizaru was EXTREMELY far away.
The issue here goes beyond this scene, when Luffy's punch hits the ground, Kizaru had dodged at the speed of light and was very far away, a SoL wouldn't do that to someone who is 8x faster.
There's still the issue of Bonney not being able to hit and being hit, Franky didn't notice Kizaru disappearing in front of his eyes...
Kizaru without his SoL movement, managing to react to Luffy's blows, which by default is already FTL even in base...
I'm not saying that there are no FTL characters in OP, but rather that the scale is clearly strange, in addition to several FTL characters that shouldn't be, there is still how FTL level they are scaled is clearly too high.
The issue here goes beyond this scene, when Luffy's punch hits the ground, Kizaru had dodged at the speed of light and was very far away, a SoL wouldn't do that to someone who is 8x faster.
There's still the issue of Bonney not being able to hit and being hit, Franky didn't notice Kizaru disappearing in front of his eyes...
Kizaru without his SoL movement, managing to react to Luffy's blows, which by default is already FTL even in base...
I'm not saying that there are no FTL characters in OP, but rather that the scale is clearly strange, in addition to several FTL characters that shouldn't be, there is still how FTL level they are scaled is clearly too high.
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Here it seems that luffy is both dodging and punching the lasers so that he can then hit kizaru
So... This makes noooo sense
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I dont think its about kizaru moving faster, its moreso a debate on how he actually acheives that. If he has to move through that tunnel to move faster than light then it becomes different.
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This is exactly my point. In this chapter alone, there are too many things that don’t make sense with the previous speed scaling.
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We do know it actually does make sense within the context of one piece and how devil fruits work.
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the point is that he can move faster than his element's baseline. I never disagreed when damage said he only needs the tunnel for it. I'm disagreeing with people saying he's not faster despite that because "it makes no sense" even though it came out of his mouth
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