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I thought the main consensus in every battle forum, including vsbattles, was that Kizaru’s fight is going to make or break the OP speed meta? Obviously this chapter is going to have a huge impact on the scaling.Are we seriously going ti remove ftl shit because of "muh kizaru"?
Somehow, magically, when it gets to kizaru specifically that rule conveniently doesn't apply anymore.
Kizaru never said that he's accelerating his speedAnd?
He's a light human at his base. Literally eating the fruit DAY 1 makes you LS. And if he said he accelerated out of his own mouth, arguing he didn't is literally debating author intentions.
That's the same way Luffy's rubber arm moves faster by using a "boost" through rubber. It's fiction. If he says he's faster, we have to sit Oda down and make him believe that what he wrote is wrongbecause I literally said at the beginning of the text that I was considering that Kizaru can accelerate to a speed above light when using a "boost" through light...
Kizaru never said that he's accelerating his speed
I fail to see how "acceleration" implies "I'm accelerating my power" and not "accelerating to increase my power"charges up
visibly releases shockwaves when moving which is a thing he never does
"ACCELERATION is power" instead of 'speed is weight', meaning he's accelerating even greater than before.
Man literally said "acceleration is power" as we visually see the light begin to accelerate.Kizaru never said that he's accelerating his speed
Okay now you're just taking the pissIt really must be a language barrier, I literally took it into account in my points. Is my English really that bad? because I literally said at the beginning of the text that I was considering that Kizaru can accelerate to a speed above light when using a "boost" through light...
2 dudes, Sanji & Ceasera dude with blue flames exist.
Weird how that guy's gas but has the freedom of MHS movement instead of only traveling at the average speed of a gas cloud in room temperature...Ceaser
Kizaru made that statement while charging an other attack from a large distance but Kizaru previous attack still blitzed Luffy and and there is no proof that his previous attack was beyond LSI fail to see how "acceleration" implies "I'm accelerating my power" and not "accelerating to increase my power"
He was ALREADY in his photon form. He was already LS since he took off. He accelerated while in that form for greater speeds, which is why we see his comperssed photon form SHOCKWAVE THREE TIMES before releasingCouldn't the acceleration that Kizaru used for the attack simply be just him using the force from accelerating to LS?
I hope that Luffy doesn't actually beat Kizaru and instead is distracted by Saturn arriving, allowing a weakened Kizaru to escape where Sanji faces him (cope)
But why is there a beam of light ahead of him before he accelerates if he is already moving at LS? Sorry I don't One Piece scale I just lurk from time to time so I don't really know how light behaves in this verse.He was ALREADY in his photon form. He was already LS since he took off. He accelerated while in that form for greater speeds, which is why we see his comperssed photon form SHOCKWAVE THREE TIMES before releasing
Where are these new users coming from speaking bs? ... Why now and only about this?
Is there some new tweet/vid that got popular or something
Not a new user just don't comment much.
He does that to make a path to where he's going to move toBut why is there a beam of light ahead of him before he accelerates if he is already moving at LS? Sorry I don't One Piece scale I just lurk from time to time so I don't really know how light behaves in this verse.
Ok so he shot the beam out and then traveled through it.He does that to make a path to where he's going to move to
LS
FTL
YeeOk so he shot the beam out and then traveled through it.
And Luffy couldn't perceive him when he took off...He was ALREADY in his photon form. He was already LS since he took off.
Bs of bsSnakeman’s point blank attack got outsped by Kizaru’s basic LS form without any acceleration. He also got perception blitzed and couldn’t tell where Kizaru flew to until he shined like a flashlight. I can’t see this being anything other than clear cut evidence that Snakeman Luffy being slower than LS, and by quite a large amount too considering the distance Kizaru traveled.
Can I ask for your reasoning?Bs of bs
Where is it shown that he couldn't perceive Kizaru?And Luffy couldn't perceive him when he took off...
Luffy's FTL attacks also failed to reach him when he took off
Luffy kept looking at the same spot Kizaru was in until he realized that Kizaru disappearedWhere is it shown that he couldn't perceive Kizaru?
This scene to me just shows that Luffy is confused/surprised that Kizaru flew really far away
Don't wanna debate but sure... Basically you're just headcanoning what actually happenedCan I ask for your reasoning?
He was confused as to why Kizaru flew away, that's why he goes "hm?!"Luffy kept looking at the same spot Kizaru was in until he realized that Kizaru disappeared
It's also the notification mark as wellHe was confused as to why Kizaru flew away, that's why he goes "hm?!"
Nothing in the panel or chapter implies that he got perception blitzed
Heck the scene right after shows him reacting to Kizaru's movement with him going "!!!!" when Kizaru is dashing at him at light speed
You’re ignoring the first panel of the first scan you posted where Luffy was still looking at Kizaru’s previous position despite him being long gone, as well as the previous page when Snakeman’s point blank attack failed to hit Kizaru.Don't wanna debate but sure... Basically you're just headcanoning what actually happened
Luffy didn't know why he went away... Which is why he was confused. You can even see before mid movement, luffy looking and reacting to kizaru flying away (kizaru is still moving via looking at the action lines and appearing bigger compared to the left panel)
Luffy even reacts to the accelerated kizaru even more denying your interpretation/headcanon
So... This makes noooo senseI can’t see this being anything other than clear cut evidence that Snakeman Luffy is slower than LS, and by quite a large amount too
I dont think its about kizaru moving faster, its moreso a debate on how he actually acheives that. If he has to move through that tunnel to move faster than light then it becomes different.Sanji using his exo density "faster acceleration, greater weight"<wiki accepts he's faster
Luffy recoiling his arm off air "Even stretching, my arm will accelerate!"<wiki accepts he's faster
Kizaru charging up in photon form "Acceleration is power"< "No he specifically can't be faster"
This is exactly my point. In this chapter alone, there are too many things that don’t make sense with the previous speed scaling.You also need to remember that Kizaru was outside the island, and Luffy was already looking at him before he accelerated. In the panel after Kizaru disappears, it shows Luffy with his hand on face, After Kizaru speeds up, Luffy notices but can't even block, and again: Kizaru was EXTREMELY far away.
The issue here goes beyond this scene, when Luffy's punch hits the ground, Kizaru had dodged at the speed of light and was very far away, a SoL wouldn't do that to someone who is 8x faster.
There's still the issue of Bonney not being able to hit and being hit, Franky didn't notice Kizaru disappearing in front of his eyes...
Kizaru without his SoL movement, managing to react to Luffy's blows, which by default is already FTL even in base...
I'm not saying that there are no FTL characters in OP, but rather that the scale is clearly strange, in addition to several FTL characters that shouldn't be, there is still how FTL level they are scaled is clearly too high.
We do know it actually does make sense within the context of one piece and how devil fruits work.Except it doesn't make sense.. light can't be faster than itself that's literally one of the light proprieties plus there is literally no indication that Kizaru was going at a speed beyond LS to begin with aside from a vague statement
the point is that he can move faster than his element's baseline. I never disagreed when damage said he only needs the tunnel for it. I'm disagreeing with people saying he's not faster despite that because "it makes no sense" even though it came out of his mouthI dont think its about kizaru moving faster, its moreso a debate on how he actually acheives that. If he has to move through that tunnel to move faster than light then it becomes different.