One Piece: AP Revision of High Tiers

[Antvasima]

I would prefer if Damage3245 handles it though.

 

[Ugarik]

I agree that we shouldn't use environmental damage feats to justify AP but there are so many verses which are scaled from feats that can't be used it combat so i'm fine with High 6-C first mates. RWBY and inFAMOUS are the best examples for such verses to me

 

[Captain_Torch]

@Ant

Alrgight, then I'll use Birdcage as AP, and if we all come to the conclusion that it's ED then we'll change it

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I would still prefer if we wait for Damage3245. I have no idea whether or not you will handle the edits properly, and don't want to have to spend hours trying to clean up after you.

 

[Captain_Torch]

I already did some edits though... Should I stop doing them then? I thought it was alright for me to handle it :/

 

[Antvasima]

It is probably best if you revert all of your edits for the time being. Damage3245 seems to know what he is doing.

 

[Captain_Torch]

I wasted like 2 hours doing them all... I and Damage decided where to put the characters together, it's not like I'm not knowledgeable on the subject.

 

[Captain_Torch]

But alright, if you don't trust me on this subject I won't be doing any other edits and will leave all the hard work to damage.

I won't waste my time reverting the profiles back though. If damage will for some reason think that they are incorrect he can revert/fix them himself.

 

[Damage3245]

Sorry, I forgot to say I'd be away most of this weekend. I can't do edits until Monday.

 

[Antvasima]

@Damage

Do you trust Captain Torch's ability to properly handle this?

 

[Damage3245]

'''I trust his knowledge on One Piece though I would like to request that profiles remain unlocked until at least Tuesday so that I can perform any necessary edits on top of these changes.'''

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is fine. Tell me here when you are done.

Should Captain Torch continue in the meantime?

 

[Captain_Torch]

Should I continue with the edits then?

 

[Damage3245]

Yes please, thank you for the help Torch.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you both for the help.

 

[Ugarik]

Why is Jinbe High 7-A?

 

[Captain_Torch]

He is at least High 7-A, as we decided, since he's comparable to Ace who is comparable to other commanders.

 

[EcchiOtakuTM]

If there are any other legitimate Sub-Rel calcs, you can show them here. As far as I know, Rayleigh vs Kizaru is the only SubRel feat of the verse, and it uses false assumptions.
As for Vergo, we don't know how much stronger he is than Pica, so he still scales to the same tier. The best that we can do is put him at "likely 7-A" due to "being at least as strong as pica"

Sorry for being late on posting it.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Js250476/Van_Augur_Bullet_Speed_(_One_Piece)

 

[Captain_Torch]

This calc still needs to be evaluated by calc members first.

 

[Damage3245]

That calc is invalid due to using the previous calced planet size.

 

[Ugarik]

I think Mihawk should be unknown scince we don't know whether he's comperable to first mates or yonko.

 

[Stefano4444]

Oh, and Doflamingo's Birdcage as well.
Which brings up the question - should birdcage be considered AP or environmental damage?

AP, how exactly it can be considered Environmental Damage? Hell, his actual environmental damage is not even that impressive as it hasn't busted anything in the country but it only cut everything inside of it.

Anyway, speaking about the Bird-Cage, while i can see the reason why it shouldn't be used to scale Luffy in his Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd, i'm pretty sure it should at least scale to his Gear 4th, after all he is able to overpower Doffy's Awakening threads which should stronger than the threads that made the Bird-Cage.

And having all Top Yonkou Commander at just Large Mountain level while characters (like Marco the Phoenix, Jack the Drought and Diamond Jozu) hold their own to Large Island level characters (like Kizaru, Aokiji and Sengoku) doesn't make sense, unless we're going to consider Whitebeard's quake as an outlier.

And no, the technique is not pure hax and either is Doffy's Devil Fruit, otherwise no one on Dressrosa should have been able to physically stop the Bird-Cage for a brief moment, and Parasito would have worked to the likes of Fujitora and Luffy Gear 4th.

 

[Damage3245]

Why would being hax prevent anyone from being able to stop it?

 

[Ugarik]

Also Oven's sea boiling feat should be calced.

 

[Js250476]

Yeah I saw that feat requested a while back

 

[Dr.Fix]

I think Mihawk should be unknown scince we don't know whether he's comperable to first mates or yonko.

Then he woud be At Least Island level, possibly large Island level.

Personally I think he is inbetween but much closer to Yonko. Should at least be stornger than the admirals.

 

[Js250476]

https://www.opbforums.com/manga/One-Piece/chapter-900/page-10

Here's the feat if anyone wanted to see it

 

[Stefano4444]

Why would being hax prevent anyone from being able to stop it?

Because if the Bird-Cage can be stopped via raw strength, then it means that Doffy's threads must have a physical limit, so everyone who can break those threads with physical attacks mean they must generate more power than what the threads can take and sustain.

Since the Bird-Cage for tank Fujitora's meteorite needed to have Island level+ durability, it means Luffy Gear 4th must be At least Island level+, as he was able to break Doffy's Awakening threads, which are superior to Doffy's standard threads, the same threads used to create the Bird-Cage.

And it does make sense powerscaling wise as well, as Top Yonkou Commanders have consistently show to be the only few people who could trully fight and hold their own again Admirals (which are Large Island level), beside the Yonkous themself.

And no, i'm not saying that Doffy's Devil Fruit isn't hax but is not 100% hax, since it has show physical limits other than the fact that his Parasito couldn't allow him to control very strong people, a pure hax ability would ignore any strength difference and affect anyone in the same way (like in the case of Sugar).

 

[Stefano4444]

Also Oven's sea boiling feat should be calced.

Agree, even if i don't think it would be anything special, probably in the range of Megatons of TNT.

 

[Stefano4444]

Then he woud be At Least Island level, possibly large Island level.

I think Likely Large Island level would be better, as he had fought Shanks more than one time.

 

[Js250476]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2060095

With the reasons also said here I think Pica and Doffy should keep 6-C AP

 

[Ugarik]

Also Oven's sea boiling feat should be calced.

Agree, even if i don't think it would be anything special, probably in the range of Megatons of TNT.

It should be around 60 megatons if we asume he insantly heated 1 cubic kilometer of water from 20 to 80 degrees degcelsius

 

[Stefano4444]

It should be around 60 megatons if we asume he insantly heated 1 cubic kilometer of water from 20 to 80 degrees degcelsius

Why just 80┬░? 100┬░ is the boiling point of water, and Jinbe did say the sea was boiling.

But the result should be more or less in the Megatons as i have stated.

 

[Captain_Torch]

After spending around 4 hours, I'm finally done with the editing. Phew.... The only thing that is up to debate is the usage of "at least" in the speed of the characters, but I'll leave that to Damage.

Everything else should be fine. I'm tired, so I'm leaving this thread for today

 

[Stefano4444]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Js250476/Van_Augur_Bullet_Speed_(_One_Piece)

Unfortunately the previous planet size is no longer accepted so the calculation need to be redone.

But it the feat still range in the Massively Hypersonic+ speed (specifically Mach 1499.535591837).

 

[Damage3245]

After spending around 4 hours, I'm finally done with the editing. Phew.... The only thing that is up to debate is the usage of "at least" in the speed of the characters, but I'll leave that to Damage.
Everything else should be fine. I'm tired, so I'm leaving this thread for today

Thanks, I'll give the updated profiles a look over on Monday but I doubt I'll need to make significant changes.

 

[Js250476]

Has Punk Hazard's size ever been calced?

Cause I remember Aokiji and Akainu's feat of permanently altering its geography as a side effect of there 10 day long battle

Wouldn't be an upgrade but supporting feat I guess

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Would the Punk Hazard feat even be impressive? It took 10 days to change an island that isn't that notably big from what we know.

 

[fandom_1cheapskate]

id save the planet size discussion for another thread there have been some interesting ways to calc it through study of geographic science and distribution of atmosphere relative to that of requirements of habitability but again I say go to the OP planet size thread if you want to discuss it there.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the help Captain Torch and Damage3245.

I also do not think that Doflamingo's bird cage should be counted as environmental destruction. Likely not Pica's power either, but I am uncertain what feat that people are talking about.