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One Piece: AP Revision of High Tiers

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@Damage

Overall seems good, but there are a few points I'd like to make.

All the "likely 6-C"'s should be "At least High 7-A", since there is no 6-C calc nor multiplier to scale them to.

Secondly, doesn't Law's "Gamma Knife" ignore durability, making it a hax move? I don't really remember the specifics, but if it is hax then it shouldn't necessarily be High 7-A..

EDIT: Also we should mention on their profiles that the High 7-A rating comes from Fuji's "Ferocious Tiger"
 
There isn't, but Katakuri has been shown to be so superior to Cracker than it's hard not to believe he isn't powerful enough to be a tier above him.

Perhaps At least High 7-A, likely Higher?

His Gamma Knife targets internal organs, but does that count as ignoring durability?
 
"At least High 7-A, likely higher" seems good.

About the Gamma Knife I'm honestly... unsure. It does seem like a hax move, but at the same time it doesn't seem like a one shot move. Maybe "High 7-A with Gamma Knife via internal damage"?
 
I think Katakuri should be "likely 6-C" for he is much stronger than Cracker.

Edit: Cracker who would've beat gear 4th Luffy if it wasn't for Nami's help.

Edit 2: Calaca has a point. What about Luffys other Gear 4th forms? Tank man Full Version is obviously stronger than Bound man.
 
Calaca Vs said:
I think Tankman could be 6-C since Cannonball one-shot Cracker and his Biscuit Soldiers. Or Likely 6-C.
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That's more like using the force of Cracker's attack against him by bouncing it back.
 
Then Cracker is stronger than we thought. If Luffy just bounced him back and one-shotted several BS and Cracker himself then Cracker can one-shot his minions.
 
Damage3245 said:
Calaca Vs said:
I think Tankman could be 6-C since Cannonball one-shot Cracker and his Biscuit Soldiers. Or Likely 6-C.
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That's more like using the force of Cracker's attack against him by bouncing it back.
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How? Luffy took time to suck in Cracker and shot him out with his own force, or so I thought.
 
@Ant

The problem with that is that we don't really know how strong Burgess is. He's at minimum zoro level and could be stronger, but we can't really know.


So have we come to an agreement? It seems like people agree with the propositions I and damage made
 
I suppose so. Although I think that Burgess should be similar in power to the 1st mates of other Yonkou.
 
@Ant

Normally I'd agree with you, but it seems like BB's crew is still in the "growth" stage, since they're trying to obtain more power. Not to mention that Dofla wasn't even worried about the possibility of fighting Burgess.

Burgess might be 1st mate level, but so far we don't really know.
 
Okay. I suppose that makes sense.
 
Yeah, BB pirates are pretty weak. Sabo only has a bounty half of Katagiri and Burges is significantly weaker than him on top of that.

That might change later though since OP is still in print.
 
Calaca Vs said:
Bounty aren't related to power but the danger the person represents to WG.
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Same thing isn't it. The more powerful you are the greater threat. Sabo's strength is probably even more disperportionate because he's the number 2 of the revolutionarys, who are actively seeking to take out the WG. BM pirates pose a significantly less danger by comparison in terms of goals.
 
Captain Torch said:
So, it seems like everything has been decided? Are there any objections or can we start editing the profiles?
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I'm only in disagreement with few things. You shouldn't disregard rayleigh vs kizaru as a feat because there are 3 other sub-rel feats prior. Vergo>pica, when if that weren't the case the corozan seat wouldn't have been left empty and someone else would've been given it, along with if it were cause vergo was undercover then doffy's bro wouldn't have been given it. Lastly awakened doffy DF is on par with birdcage with his strongest attack(used in fight conclusion) being even stronger.


Those are the only things I'm staying firm on. Doffy's crew structure does have importance per seats. Can't just let the lower ranks have a structure then all of a sudden disregard the highest seat which was even noted to be left empty all cause pica had a mountain man statue. Heck even garp noted vs chinjao to be honing his haki by crushing 9 mountains prior but I'll disgress on haki of DF users being>their DF by itself until after this revision is over.

Not to mention if vergo doesn't at least scale to pica when using ciphor pol techniques then majority of cake arc scaling gets tossed since a lot is scaled from base sanji being nearly on par with ciphor pol vergo.

Thus as far as those 4 are concerned I'm still saying: base pica<base vergo<base sanji=base zoro<mountain pica<=red leg sanji<=Cipher pol vergo<haki zoro<=CP haki vergo

Overall vouging for pica>vergo just cause of eye candy creates an even bigger discrepancy as well between vergo and law. Meaning vergo being surprised law could defeat him makes even less sense. Along with vergo being someone law was cautious of also makes less sense. It Messes up cake arc scaling. Ruins any meaning behind corozan seat. Messes up any comments on or notoriety doffy's bro had. And all cause he made a mountain man which zoro's haki alone broke through.
 
If there are any other legitimate Sub-Rel calcs, you can show them here. As far as I know, Rayleigh vs Kizaru is the only SubRel feat of the verse, and it uses false assumptions.

As for Vergo, we don't know how much stronger he is than Pica, so he still scales to the same tier. The best that we can do is put him at "likely 7-A" due to "being at least as strong as pica"
 
Only experienced members who can perform the edits flawlessly should preferably be a part of his revision.

Otherwise I will have to do an awful lot of cleanup work.
 
Okay. Do you need to insert any calculation links to justify the statistics?
 
Oh, and Doflamingo's Birdcage as well.

Which brings up the question - should birdcage be considered AP or environmental damage?
 
The birdcage is a form of AP. Environmental damage has largely been discarded as a concept, if I remember correctly.
 
Wait I don't get it earlier we said Pica making the flower Hill was environmental damage but if we discard that concept why should that be disregarded as well?
 
Well, I am just going by what I recall Matthew saying about environmental damage. It is not my area.

Which pages do you need unlocked?
 
Captain Torch said:
So, it seems like everything has been decided? Are there any objections or can we start editing the profiles?
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I think we're good. Someone might want to summarize the effected profiles and why though just to be safe.
 
I do not think that we consider such feats as environmental damage though, but again, other staff members would know more about this.
 
@Ant

Oh, it seems like I misread your comment. I thought you mean that it should be Enviromental damage.

I'm personally unsure about the birdcage having 6-C AP. The birdcage does damage overtime, which makes it ED. It should have 6-C durability though.
 
@Ant

I need Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Chinjao unlocked


EDIT:

Also, I'll list Doflamingo's "Bird Cage" as Environmental damge for now. If we come to a conclusion that it's actually AP, we can always change it.
 
We already decided that Pica creating his body doesn't qualify as AP, since it affected the environment, but can't be correlated to AP, as Matt described.

Doflamingo's Bird Cage does damage overtime, which also makes it envionmental damage(this one is up to debate)
 
Doflamingo uses the same power for his bird cage as for his regular attacks. I don't see why if wouldn't scale.

Can somebody explain why Pica's power wouldn't scale either?

Anyway, I will unlock the following profiles:

Monkey D. Luffy

Roronoa Zoro

Sanji

Chinjao

Tell me here when you are done.
 
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