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One Piece: AP Revision of High Tiers

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Sorry if that post was confusing. I'm asking if there already exists calc for those feats.

The One Peice page has zero links to active/past calculations that I can see.
 
Somebody posted at least 20 One Piece calculation blogs yesterday, but they were of poor quality, did not contain scaling images, and have obviously not been evaluated.

Can somebody find the old calculation blog for Aokiji's ocean freeze though? If that was accepted, we might be able to use it.
 
Firstly the easiest to address speed, didn't we already go through luffy vs foxy DF, zoro vs kuma DF, Blackbeard's sniper van's seagull feat, and rayleigh moving to intercept kizaru? Only reason the first two was denied was ppl don't want to give such a jump between arcs for luffy and zoro shouldn't be faster than luffy. But there are more than one sub-rel feat.

As for potency, I mostly agree for now but vergo>pica for being the only corozan seat along with doffy's brother. Trying to say the seats are for trustworthiness is false. Doffy met pica, trebol, flag guy, and vergo at the same time. Thus trustworthiness would mean that seat would not be left empty to law to ascend.

The seat can't be intelligence because nothing supports any member of doffy crew are smarter than the other tbh. Assuming pica is dumb because of his high pitched voice when he was able to construct flower hill quite well along with flag guy being a pretty deceptive character yet that seat stayed empty. And doffy's bro was commented on to have battle powress. Doffy even brought the whole family for him even though he was ill and wounded already.

So Law, who to vergo's surprise defeated him, is stronger than vergo, the corazon, who is stronger than pica/trebol/flag guy.

And vergo only cracked sanji's leg cause of a surprise power increase via cp9 techniques but even after vergo noteably using said cp9 techniques trying to kill sanji he still continued to battle vergo to a standstill. Saying "no haki vergo" is completely undermining that the cipher pol techniques are still heavily relevant to this day in one piece(as well as any one piece martial art tbh). Sanji was naive to think vergo couldn't amp himself without haki.

I'd say base sanji(who fought vergo)<base zoro= red leg sanji(red leg could do something to phase vergo at least)<zoro haki<=unknown Raid Suit<unknown Asura until new feats happen but most likely asura stronger than raid which is stronger than haki zoro. Vergo base most likely above red leg sanji below zoro haki, cp vergo equal to haki zoro, cp haki vergo above haki zoro.

And doffy does use strings to enhance his power preawakened. As shown by adding strings to his body to increase it's striking power without using the string side to cut. While awakened definitely scales to birdcage since luffy could no longer casually break it with a flex and his strongest move scales past birdcage. If doffy's strongest was weaker than birdcage(tightening awakened strings+ applying haki) then he would have actively closed birdcage instead of using said awakened strings. That being said Black knight should have a cutting weakness added since 3 of them were easily injured by cutting attacks.
 
> I mostly agree for now but vergo>pica for being the only corozan seat along with doffy's brother.

Why exactly does this mean Vergo > Pica, or that Vergo should be a tier above Pica?

The Heart Seat is not a special rank above the other three Officer seats.
 
Vergo should be superior to Pica, as it was stated that he's Doflamingo's right hand man.

Havnig said that, he still should be "likely 7-A" as Pica and Sanji are, just one of the reasoning should be "superior to the seats"
 
All of the Executive Officers are effectively Doflamingo's right-hand men. Vergo is only considered special because he's an undercover operative.
 
> (edit) the continent that prime don chinjao destroyed/cut is way harder than a steel and garp one shot this dude easily.

It was a frozen lake, not a literaly continent.

And the speed discussion should be saved for another time.

> luffy should be FTL

Now I know you're joking.
 
Doesn't look like an Island level+ explosion to me. No calc exists for it as far as I am aware.
 
Please, save that discussion for another thread.

Right now we are determining the ratings for the high tiers based on the calcs we have available.
 
@Aerozz

Please take this to another thread. You can create a revision thread if you like, but please don't crowd this thread.
 
@Damage

So it seems that everything has been decided, except G4 Luffy and characters on his level, correct?

What's your opinion on that? Where should we scale Gear 4 to?
 
Stop spamming this thread. Pacista's are currently rated as City level according to their profile. You want to revise them? Do it on another thread.
 
As others have said, stop spamming and derailing this thread.

I will remove your posts, and if you continue I might have to give you a temporary block.
 
Aerozz please stop spamming this thread or I'll have to notify an admin.


@Damage

"Likely 6-C" based on what? We don't have any 6-C calcs, that's the main problem. Unless we go with the "3x multiplier", which then creates the question - what do we multiple?

Also, while I agree that Luffy should scale to High 7-A, I disagree on the notion that luffy was "keeping up" with him. Fujitora was quite obviously holding back, and a G2/G3 Luffy being admiral level makes little sense. Having said that, Luffy did tank a casual High 7-A attack from Fuji, so G2/G3 Luffy should be High 7-A, while Fuji should be "at least High 7-A"
 
Since you refuse to stop, I will have to give you a 1 week block, so we can finish this revision in peace.
 
> "Likely 6-C" based on what? We don't have any 6-C calcs, that's the main problem. Unless we go with the "3x multiplier", which then creates the question - what do we multiple?

If Luffy did scale to Fujitora's High 7-A value, he'd only need to be three times stronger in Gear 4 to be 6-C.
 
@Damage

I'm not sure if upscaling a tier is allowed though, not to mention that the High 7-A value is baseline. I'd suggest "At least High 7-A" tbh
 
I agree with Damage3245 on the scaling for the most part, but Cap'n Torch does bring about a valid point in which it would be strange if Dressrosa Saga Luffy's gear forms were at the level of an admiral. Physically speaking.

So Damage you're saying that: Fujitora physique < Gear 4th < Fujitora's Devil Fruit correct? That can make since, but I do agree with Torch that Fuji was not going all out especially since he was focusing an immense amount of devil fruit power levitating the city during his fight with Luffy.

Edit: Though I'm pretty sure I'm overlooking something here.
 
If Fujitora was not going all-out, and his true strength is higher than 1.49 Gigatons, then Luffy's G2/G3 forms being 1.49 Gigatons would make more sense.

But At least High 7-A may be the better rating.
 
Damage3245 said:
Please, save that discussion for another thread.
Right now we are determining the ratings for the high tiers based on the calcs we have available.
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I'm a bit confused looking at the last few posts, but I think that's because there are some missing/deleted . . . .

Going off of what Damage said^ Why are some characters liek Akainu "At least" high 6-C?

We need better access to current/past calcs but based off the ones Damage supplied the highest feats right now are just over 300 gigatons. These feats were from an admiral and worse yet a Yonko. I don't see many characters being stonger than them, let alone justifiably a whole other tier as "At least" implies.
 
Admirals and Yonko should get "high 6-C" (Large Island level)

Most everyone else gets 6-C (Island Level).

That's how I see it panning out so far.
 
@Damage

Yeah, I agreed with G2/G3 Luffy scaling to casual fujitora, it just sounded like you meant that he's = to fujitora.

So then "At least 7-A" or "7-A" for base luffy, "High 7-A" for G2/G3 Luffy and "At least High 7-A" for G4 Luffy, correct?
 
Those ratings for New World Saga Luffy seem to make sense.
 
Captain Torch said:
I also agree with Admirals/Yonko being just "High 6-C" without an "at least"
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Yonko should be at high 6-c, "possibly higher" Since Shanks stop akinu punch with one hand(using a sword and yonko>>admirals)
 
That wasn't exactly a serious punch by Akainu. He was aiming at Coby.
 
@Damage

Well, I think we've come to an agreement here then.

Could you make a list with all the changes for different characters?
 
I shall. Currently working on a calc at the moment, but I'll get working on the list of revised stats afterwards.
 
Damage3245 said:
Monkey D. Luffy (New World Saga): At least 7-A (Superior to Zoro and Sanji), High 7-A with G2 & G3 (Kept up with Fujitora), At least High 7-A with G4 (Overwhelmed Doflamingo)
Doflamingo: High 7-A (Kept up with Luffy), 6-C with Birdcage (Calced)

Trafalgar Law: At least 7-A (One-shot Vergo), High 7-A with Gamma Knife (Dealt heavy damage to Doflamingo)

Zoro: 7-A (Calc), likely higher with Asura

Pica: Likely 7-A (Held back Zoro temporarily, but was ultimately weaker)

Vergo: Likely 7-A (Roughly comparable to Pica)

Sanji: Likely 7-A (Managed to hold back Vergo temporarily)

Katakuri: Likely 6-C

Smoothie: Likely 6-C

Cracker: At least High 7-A

Fujitora: At least High 7-A, likely higher, High 6-C with meteors

Sabo: At least High 7-A, likely higher

Jack: Likely 6-C

Inuarashi: Likely 6-C

Nekomamushi: Likely 6-C
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This isn't all of them, but thoughts on this?
 
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