If you not saying that, then why are you mentioning that "it could mean lightning" when it's already been said that it can't? Say clearly what you are proposing, maybe my English is bad enough and I don't understand the context of your messages or you really mean it.
What language do you speak? If it's Portuguese, then this makes it way easier for me.
So you're saying that kanji somertimes can mean "lightning" in a metaphorical sense, and that we have to analyze if this is the case?
again for the summoning speed for hebi sasuke, not his actual speed, and jonin minato (which wasnt his prime).
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Yes, I'm from Portugal, i don't really understand the context of your message, so if you can explain it to me in Portuguese (is this against the rules?)
I don't think so, it's just that one message.
Issen Has Been Accepted To Be Light Speed. so What's The Matter here?
I already explained the matter.
yes, maybe it just means fast it can also mean something else
I see
Agora sim consegui entender. Mas é praticamente impossível detectar se é figurativo ou não nesse caso do Issen, e não acho que valha a pena quebrar a cabeça com isso, pois teria que ser feito em vários outros versos também. Enfim, entendi o que você queria dizer agora mas não acho que seja um empecilho.
Yeah, again, believe or not, I am not against Lightspeed Issen at all. But even so, I thought it might've been relevant to address that, since it can lead to massive outliers in some other verses.
Now that's just arguing semantics. Generally when people talk about lighting speed their referring to downward stroke. This is also backed up by zetus statement of lighting being around mach 3000. Would make literally 0 sense for hebi sasuke to be 1/3 the speed of light.again for the summoning speed for hebi sasuke, not his actual speed, and jonin minato (which wasnt his prime).
and sasuke's thing is rel based on this translation:
Naruto: The Speed Of Hyperbole
In Japanese? No, that's not really arguing semantics. They can have either very vague, and very specific words in their vocabulary and how the phrase is structured.
Zetsu said that lightning can go 1km/s, but didn't say that kirin was that fast
Like i said before if your scaling off data book statements. Let me rephrase that data book hyperboles then that just leads to a lot of speed inconsistencies. If you scale with just the manga the speed is pretty consistent. Top tiers scale around MHS+ considering LS is extremely fast for people like the rikage and tsunada. and only god tiers debatable scale to LS.
He literal said lighting is 1km/s which is about mach 3000. He said because lightning is mach 3000 no one can avoid it. Kirin is natural lighting so he was obviously referring to kirin as well.
We need to throw away an entire freaking book made just to inform the fans because there are hyperbolic statements?
Let's ignore the 3 other times i agreed with a upgrade
About the translation, I had interpreted that it was about Mifune, but after reading what Qliphoth said about it being two sentences, I interpreted that the first sentence speaks the mechanics of the technique and the second uses Mifune as a comparison or something. In the case of Mifune, I interpreted that the phrase is saying that the technique combine with Mifune's sword and swordmanship, something like: "This attack combines with him". Using a different expression, it would be like you seeing a woman in a dress and saying, "That dress combines with her." Something like that, just saying the technique combines with Mifune.
I took a look, and the mention is on the Samurai page. Yes, Mifune has his own page, and there's nothing about Issen on it, but Issen is mentioned in the page that talks about all Samurais. it's even the last page of information in the Databook.
nobody agreed to sub rel and honestly we need to see what LN do with feats like that and get the rating from that. Sub Rel was literally just out of nowhere. I personally think just baseline Rel would be better.
Whenever the same databook calls the attack undodgeable bc of its speed it says a lot. When a literal God tier is using the attack because of its speed (that has may more evidence for it being SoL) compared to Fodder having a statement in a databook for a supposedly Sol attack that literal other fodders out pace then yes it screams Outlier.
He didn’t use raiton. He used Sage Art: Shadow Style Thunder Blast. A 6paths technique. That’s painfully obviously not lightning speed
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^ lol and they all got the same sized amp
FTL Temari fodder ninja slashes
About Orochi, this was said:
I've already commented here about "can't dodge" here, this mention also exists on Katsuyu's page about her acid in the Databook, that kind of quote doesn't mean anything.
The Databook page for this technique says that he creates various ramifications of natural lightning with the Yin element, he literally creates natural lightnings.He didn’t use raiton. He used Sage Art: Shadow Style Thunder Blast. A 6paths technique. That’s painfully obviously not lightning speed
Literal same shit nobody accepted it and it needs another thread? Tf I even agreed with it on that thread so honestly idk wtf was your point.
then it means that attack is high in speed? Like what? It doesn’t necessarily mean SoL but it’s complimenting the speed nonetheless
ok then somebody calc him blocking the lightning then…
Kurama's chakra increases the power and physical capacities and the techniques, but Issen appears to have a fixed speed, which is that of light, being with a physical power amplifier doesn't mean that Issen will be faster, after all, all Samurai including Mifune have this technique with the same speed (LS) and obviously there is a physical difference between them, but this does not influence the speed of the Issen. In this scene, he continues LS and the other attacks are amplified by Naruto's Kurama Chakra, which wouldn't be strange if he increased the speed of the other characters techniques up to this level or almost. And if I'm not mistaken, in the anime scene, Issen arrives first. And I don't think it matters anyway, there's a scene of Darui being as fast as the Raikage with the armor when attacking Sasuke, and yet we didn't scale him for the Raikage.
That's because the topic was just about Naruto, and it ended up being derailed anyway, but it wasn't rejected.
