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A nothing is the lack of material, It's size is based on whatsurronds It, the nothing will always be as big as the space It's confined in, in other words, he still should have size manipulation based on his size be based on what is surronding him at the moment
That's true for type 1, but did you read what type 2 nonexistent physiology means, in the "Nature of Nothingness" part? Based on all the information about Nonexisty, I think type 2 is more accurate, in which case the evidence is that size doesn't apply to him rather than being that he can change his size. Maybe type 3 could work instead, but I'm sure that type 1 is too little nonexistence to accurately represent Nonexisty.
 
That's true for type 1, but did you read what type 2 nonexistent physiology means, in the "Nature of Nothingness" part? Based on all the information about Nonexisty, I think type 2 is more accurate, in which case the evidence is that size doesn't apply to him rather than being that he can change his size. Maybe type 3 could work instead, but I'm sure that type 1 is too little nonexistence to accurately represent Nonexisty.
Well, we don't actually have much saying he is outside the binarry sistem of existence, we actually only have feats of them beingh on It, with Two considering him = 0 and the fact the recomended characters moving can change his sinse sinse this shows that he is the absense of matter and not "nothing at all" putting nonexisty inside the binnary part

Binary sistem is like a hole, the walls represent 1 and the empty middle a 0, to nonexisty be type 2 he would have to be none of thouse, now let's look at nonexisty again, he can be expanded by others moving away from each other, putting the others as the 1 and nonexisty as the 0

Non existy unfortunetly don't seen to be in outside the binnary sistem, and we can also apply this to others perception of him, sinse where one percives non existy he is 1 and where he isn't percived beingh 0

Thinking here, I'm probable wrong trough, nonexisty may be able to have Abstract Existence sinse his existence is based on others perciving them, that's why nonexisty is always "non present" beacuse that's how others percive him, as the idea of lack of presense

Ignoring the last part to continue talking about nonexistent phisiology

Let's go back at him not beingh present to be on BFDIA

If we considere the binary sistem again as ones present and ones not present, Nonexisty now is the 0, he is made of the concept of ones not beingh present, so by his own nature he wouldn't be allowed to compeat even beingh present

If Nonexisty could participate them we would have a argument for type 2, sinse he is neitheir present and not present at the same time, giving him the idea of a "in betwing" in the binary sistem (what would funny enough give nonexisty transduality, trough IDK what type
 
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Well, we don't actually have much saying he is outside the binarry sistem of existence, we actually only have feats of them beingh on It, with Two considering him = 0 and the fact the recomended characters moving can change his sinse sinse this shows that he is the absense of matter and not "nothing at all" putting nonexisty inside the binnary part

Binary sistem is like a hole, the walls represent 1 and the empty middle a 0, to nonexisty be type 2 he would have to be none of thouse
Two thought of Nonexisty as zero, but Nonexisty wasn't necessarily in the spot that there was a zero depicted while just being a character made of nothing, as proven by how Nonexisty is considered as a real character but treated as nothing, and how Nonexisty could potentially be considered as infinite in size. The recommended characters were able to move but we don't see Nonexisty move, and can only have subjective interpretations of that.

Anyway, I remade the Powers and Abilities section of Nonexisty's profile since I realized that there needed to be more information to prove that he even has nonexistent physiology in the first place.
 
We have no proof that nonexisty don't have a soul
What conceapts nonexisty lacks?
I mean, We also can't prove that he has no mind

also They actually has a 10-C feat... Firey beingh able to tasty them, meaning that nonexisty can be rubbed against firey tongh at least
 
Also, I made some edits here
Well, we don't actually have much saying he is outside the binarry sistem of existence, we actually only have feats of them beingh on It, with Two considering him = 0 and the fact the recomended characters moving can change his sinse sinse this shows that he is the absense of matter and not "nothing at all" putting nonexisty inside the binnary part

Binary sistem is like a hole, the walls represent 1 and the empty middle a 0, to nonexisty be type 2 he would have to be none of thouse, now let's look at nonexisty again, he can be expanded by others moving away from each other, putting the others as the 1 and nonexisty as the 0

Non existy unfortunetly don't seen to be in outside the binnary sistem, and we can also apply this to others perception of him, sinse where one percives non existy he is 1 and where he isn't percived beingh 0

Thinking here, I'm probable wrong trough, nonexisty may be able to have Abstract Existence sinse his existence is based on others perciving them, that's why nonexisty is always "non present" beacuse that's how others percive him, as the idea of lack of presense

Ignoring the last part to continue talking about nonexistent phisiology

Let's go back at him not beingh present to be on BFDIA

If we considere the binary sistem again as ones present and ones not present, Nonexisty now is the 0, he is made of the concept of ones not beingh present, so by his own nature he wouldn't be allowed to compeat even beingh present

If Nonexisty could participate them we would have a argument for type 2, sinse he is neitheir present and not present at the same time, giving him the idea of a "in betwing" in the binary sistem (what would funny enough give nonexisty transduality, trough IDK what type
 
Also, even trough It's non cannon we have this is a support feat that he has a concience sinse Nonexisty was able to get him self a stand up show for him to participate, showing that at least the BFDI writers interpreat nonexisty as sentient

 
Non existy unfortunetly don't seen to be in outside the binnary sistem, and we can also apply this to others perception of him, sinse where one percives non existy he is 1 and where he isn't percived beingh 0
As to not be stuck in a loop, I have to ask you why you think the perceptions of characters should be prioritized over the factoring all the information as a whole.
Thinking here, I'm probable wrong trough, nonexisty may be able to have Abstract Existence sinse his existence is based on others perciving them, that's why nonexisty is always "non present" beacuse that's how others percive him, as the idea of lack of presense
A character having nonexistent physiology is also something abstract, so it's more preferable to have nonexistent physiology listed since it's more specific and specialized for our endeavors with this topic.
Ignoring the last part to continue talking about nonexistent phisiology

Let's go back at him not beingh present to be on BFDIA

If we considere the binary sistem again as ones present and ones not present, Nonexisty now is the 0, he is made of the concept of ones not beingh present, so by his own nature he wouldn't be allowed to compeat even beingh present

If Nonexisty could participate them we would have a argument for type 2, sinse he is neitheir present and not present at the same time, giving him the idea of a "in betwing" in the binary sistem (what would funny enough give nonexisty transduality, trough IDK what type
What you write makes sense when only looking at it in the binary point of view, but you have to understand that there's more to it. That means that it's either Nonexisty is a character who exists (1) or a character who doesn't exist (0), but it's not a matter of questioning his existence. We know that he doesn't exist, but the variable is whether or not he is treated as a legitimate character. So really, he's probably just type 3. I ought to change it to that.
We have no proof that nonexisty don't have a soul
What conceapts nonexisty lacks?
I mean, We also can't prove that he has no mind

also They actually has a 10-C feat... Firey beingh able to tasty them, meaning that nonexisty can be rubbed against firey tongh at least
The concept of nonexistence doesn't have anything, including not having a spirit and a mind, so it can be presumed. The case would be different if Nonexisty were to start talking one day. I guess Nonexisty lacks the concept of being real. It's debatable for him to even count as a character, which is a reason I never uploaded the profile.

Firey's sensory stimulus reception isn't relevant to Nonexisty's power. It should be presumed that nonexistence tastes like peanut butter if a character who can interact with nonexistence tastes it, rather than Nonexisty having peanut butter breath from eating a sandwich or something like that. If a character can touch a featless ghost, you wouldn't claim that the ghost has power just because of how it feels to touch the ghost, right? The same idea applies with Firey touching Nonexisty.
There’s no such thing as tier 12. That should be Unknown for everything.
I only put that there as a joke, because Nonexisty is a joke character. If I were to hypothetically upload the profile, I would change it.
Also, even trough It's non cannon we have this is a support feat that he has a concience sinse Nonexisty was able to get him self a stand up show for him to participate, showing that at least the BFDI writers interpreat nonexisty as sentient


 
I wonder if we can make profiles for battle for grandma

The only problem I can think of the top of my head is Flash, ender pearl and Eight ball from BFB
 
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As to not be stuck in a loop, I have to ask you why you think the perceptions of characters should be prioritized over the factoring all the information as a whole.

A character having nonexistent physiology is also something abstract, so it's more preferable to have nonexistent physiology listed since it's more specific and specialized for our endeavors with this topic.

What you write makes sense when only looking at it in the binary point of view, but you have to understand that there's more to it. That means that it's either Nonexisty is a character who exists (1) or a character who doesn't exist (0), but it's not a matter of questioning his existence. We know that he doesn't exist, but the variable is whether or not he is treated as a legitimate character. So really, he's probably just type 3. I ought to change it to that.

The concept of nonexistence doesn't have anything, including not having a spirit and a mind, so it can be presumed. The case would be different if Nonexisty were to start talking one day. I guess Nonexisty lacks the concept of being real. It's debatable for him to even count as a character, which is a reason I never uploaded the profile.

Firey's sensory stimulus reception isn't relevant to Nonexisty's power. It should be presumed that nonexistence tastes like peanut butter if a character who can interact with nonexistence tastes it, rather than Nonexisty having peanut butter breath from eating a sandwich or something like that. If a character can touch a featless ghost, you wouldn't claim that the ghost has power just because of how it feels to touch the ghost, right? The same idea applies with Firey touching Nonexisty.

I only put that there as a joke, because Nonexisty is a joke character. If I were to hypothetically upload the profile, I would change it.


1- Beacuse nonexisty IS the perception of others, if we look this as a vs debate too, the perception the oponent has from nonexisty is literaly the only thing he can fight
2-Fair
3- Okay I guess
4-This is more a weakness them anything, if firey can tasty non existy even If It's infinitly near 0J this still mean nonexisty can apply force against something as long It can interact with him, so he basically would be at the botton of 10-C
5- I mostly putted It here as a way to say that Cary and others think of nonexisty as sentient
 
I wonder if we can make profiles for battle for grandma

The only problem I can think of the top of my head is Flash, ender pearl and Eight ball from BFB
Yeah, that sounds like something that should be on the FC/OC wiki because of the first two being relevant main characters despite being copyrighted.
 
Yeah, that sounds like something that should be on the FC/OC wiki because of the first two being relevant main characters despite being copyrighted.
And eight ball beingh literaly from another show :V sad, beacuse the chanel has other Object shows that fon't have that problem but are tecnically conected with Battle for gradma lore
 
Beacuse nonexisty IS the perception of others, if we look this as a vs debate too, the perception the oponent has from nonexisty is literaly the only thing he can fight
Nonexisty isn't just the perceptions of others. Although the only signs of him are through the subjective perceptions of others, those are still subjective, and Nonexisty isn't exclusively those, since nonexistence is still its own thing from just the ability to try conceiving it. If Nonexisty was just the perceptions of characters, we'd call him Sighty or something like that.

In a VS battle scenario, a character could defeat Nonexisty by having sufficient hax. I'm pretty sure even the Announcer could win using budget cuts, though he may or may not need to sacrifice the show in the process.
This is more a weakness them anything, if firey can tasty non existy even If It's infinitly near 0J this still mean nonexisty can apply force against something as long It can interact with him, so he basically would be at the botton of 10-C
Using the ghost analogy along with the logic that you presented, that would mean that a character being able to touch a ghost is just the ghost's weakness rather than the other character's ability to treat something non-physical as something physical. This may be the case at times, but I usually see non-physical interaction being given to characters who touch non-physical things, including Firey because of him touching Nonexisty. BFDI characters like Firey have other feats of treating non-solid entities as solid, so it's more consistent to interpret it as in the nature of the characters to be able to interact with things this way, rather than those things being illegitimately non-solid.
I mostly putted It here as a way to say that Cary and others think of nonexisty as sentient
Yeah, I'll give you a more straightforward answer now: I don't think the creators of the series think of Nonexisty as sentient when the joke of that scene was that he couldn't do a performance and consequently the characters in the audience didn't get to enjoy a show that they thought they were going to see.
 
Nonexisty isn't just the perceptions of others. Although the only signs of him are through the subjective perceptions of others, those are still subjective, and Nonexisty isn't exclusively those, since nonexistence is still its own thing from just the ability to try conceiving it. If Nonexisty was just the perceptions of characters, we'd call him Sighty or something like that.

In a VS battle scenario, a character could defeat Nonexisty by having sufficient hax. I'm pretty sure even the Announcer could win using budget cuts, though he may or may not need to sacrifice the show in the process.
Okay, I'm now getting too confused to keep up this part of the debate, I will just belive in you them
Using the ghost analogy along with the logic that you presented, that would mean that a character being able to touch a ghost is just the ghost's weakness rather than the other character's ability to treat something non-physical as something physical. This may be the case at times, but I usually see non-physical interaction being given to characters who touch non-physical things, including Firey because of him touching Nonexisty. BFDI characters like Firey have other feats of treating non-solid entities as solid, so it's more consistent to interpret it as in the nature of the characters to be able to interact with things this way, rather than those things being illegitimately non-solid.
Yes yes, but This isn't the point, the point is. Nonexisty has the ability to aply force even if is only whem interacting with someone with the hability to... tasty him, so he can have the tier 10-C sinse he can teorically apply force into others, even trough just the same as someone tasting something
Yeah, I'll give you a more straightforward answer now: I don't think the creators of the series think of Nonexisty as sentient when the joke of that scene was that he couldn't do a performance and consequently the characters in the audience didn't get to enjoy a show that they thought they were going to see.
Fair
 
Okay, I'm now getting too confused to keep up this part of the debate, I will just belive in you them
To put it simply; Nonexisty is nonexistence counted as a character. What other characters think of Nonexisty is only a means for the show to treat him as a character, even though he doesn't qualify as one by many standards.
Yes yes, but This isn't the point, the point is. Nonexisty has the ability to aply force even if is only whem interacting with someone with the hability to... tasty him, so he can have the tier 10-C sinse he can teorically apply force into others, even trough just the same as someone tasting something
For both a ghost or a nonexistent entity, they aren't normally supposed to provide a feelings to another character when that character touches them, so if a character has the special ability to touch them, that character might be the one providing themself with their own sensory stimulus, especially if it's something silly like peanut butter, which a completely non-physical entity has no realistic reason to taste like. Either way, if we rank Nonexisty as tier 10-C, we'd need to clarify that this was only through the means of a different character having sufficient non-physical interaction to even interact with him in the first place.

I just realized something else. I think the scene meant that Firey thought he tasted peanut butter, but it was actually just his imagination, so the Nonexisty recommended character appearance was put there since Firey actually tasted nothing. When the Announcer looked at Firey in silence, Firey went back on what he said, following up with "Okay, maybe not.".
 
To put it simply; Nonexisty is nonexistence counted as a character. What other characters think of Nonexisty is only a means for the show to treat him as a character, even though he doesn't qualify as one by many standards.
Okay I guess

10-C, we'd need to clarify that this was only through the means of a different character having sufficient non-physical interaction to even interact with him in the first place.
Yes, this probable would be the most "correct" way to do that
 
Quick question! Do the rest of the contestants of TDOS scale to Computer and Evil Computer? thinking about making a profile for cringe pill :3
Computer, yeah. Pretty sure Seasons 6 and 7 are examples of contestants being able to fight off opponents Computer can fight. Though Evil Computer is supposed to be stronger, especially in his Supreme form.
 
Just came a trough to me, The ice breaking challenges had the contestants standing bare foot on a big chunk of ice and fall on water around that ice and no one had problens with the cold, most of II characters should get some resitence to the cold (same with the cristmas episode sinse they walked around necked on the snow without problens)
 
I’m pretty sure anyone can withstand being in the snow, even with no jackets
 
Next episode’s out


I was right that the Super Objects would be involved and now Computer and the Season 1 contestants will be getting Super Object forms assuming the Super Objects live to give it to them
 
Shouldn't pencil have ressurection/summon sinse they brough bubble back by blowing into a bubble making thing(idk what is the name) during BFDIA

So pencil can summon bubble any time she want as long bubble is dead and she has the bubble making thing and without the need of a bubble recovery center


This also gives bubble imortality type 6 I think sinse she can come back from any bubble as long someone want to ressurect her
 
That’s summoning/resurrecting Bubble only. And no, it’s not Type 6 as that involves a soul possessing a new body after the original dies.
 
That’s summoning/resurrecting Bubble only. And no, it’s not Type 6 as that involves a soul possessing a new body after the original dies.
Fair, but type 6 isn't limited to soul possesing

Any way, so It's something to keep in mind next BFDI revision, and this is actually a pretty nice power to have if we make a fightt with pencil alone especially sinse Bubble is one of the characters with the most content about(and a fan favorite) alongside Pencil
 
Wait... wouldn't "coming back in a spare body" count here? sinse Bubble is comming back on another bubble "body"
6: Parasitic: The character is able to attain a sort of immortality by abandoning bodies whenever necessary to transfer their consciousness to another body, whether they are possessing someone else or switching to a backup body.
I may be making a strech or exagerating But It sure would be neat if this count
 
Fair, but type 6 isn't limited to soul possesing

Any way, so It's something to keep in mind next BFDI revision, and this is actually a pretty nice power to have if we make a fightt with pencil alone especially sinse Bubble is one of the characters with the most content about(and a fan favorite) alongside Pencil
Another upgrade I was thinking... Everyone should scale in range by twoing projectiles(everyone who can trow projectiles) to leafy in BFDIA with her knifes that crossed the entire goiky canal, from Yoleland to the grass planes
 
Other them book there is any character that has showed any dificult lifiting spongy up?

If so, book probable should be in the top of BFDI LS scale :V as well the space ships and paper airplanes
 
Pretty sure the times the characters struggled to lift Spongy are are outnumbered by the number of times they lifted things much heavier than him
 
Pretty sure the times the characters struggled to lift Spongy are are outnumbered by the number of times they lifted things much heavier than him
I mean we don't really know how much spongy weights and him beingh too heavy to other contestants be able to lift him is actually to consistent

what I mean is, by scaling, spongy is heavier them a star
 
No he isn’t. I had a calculation of him weighing 1231 kg, which isn’t even remotely close to being a star. Regardless, I’m pretty sure those are more anti-feat gags not meant to be taken seriously.
 
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