Object Show General Discussion Thread: New Friendly

[James_Plays_4_Games]

New episode's out

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Peak BFDI episode! It's nice to see the original comics and the Equation Playground be more incorporated into the canon cartoon series. One is really upping the stakes and making TPOT reach its climax!

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

New episode's out

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Did I actually predict them making BFDI Mini canon?

 

[Psychomaster35]

New episode's out

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This probably has to be the best episode of TPOT (And to an extent, the series) so far. Though, it was admittedly painful to see my 2nd best girl in the series (Basketball) go since I really wanted to see her stay longer in the game to have more moments of her rivalry with Golf Ball.

It was actually fun seeing time travel being involved in the challenge that led to the contestants going back to various pieces in time to rescue the failed debuters while also reliving some key moments in the series in a way that it was full of throwbacks. Thanks to this episode, we now know that Total Firey Island and BFDI Mini is officially canon to the main timeline (Even though there's a plot hole that got formed in the latter spin-off series where the moon in that series is in space even though it should've been on the surface of the Earth). And we even get to see One's plan being explored deeper in a way that she potentially wants the universe gone if she doesn't get Two's power.

Speaking of One, given how she has the power to restore the timeline back to normal to stop it from collapsing, and that the universe houses an underworld within the Earth's core, perhaps there's Low Multiversal arguments to be made?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

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Speaking of One, given how she has the power to restore the timeline back to normal to stop it from collapsing, and that the universe houses an underworld within the Earth's core, perhaps there's Low Multiversal arguments to be made?

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I agree with the restoration being Low Multiverse level. It's more than just "perhaps," since the Announcer's budget cuts are already ranked as Low Multiverse level for the same reason. There also exists Yellow Face's Ad Dimension being another layer of the same universe which is basically a low quality exact copy of it. Even if its more like a parallel universe than a dimension of the main universe, it's technically part of the characters' "timeline" since they have been there in the past. I feel like budget cuts and the space-time rift could destroy 3 universes instead of 2. Golf Ball and Tennis Ball also technically get to have this tier of destruction via the Yoylite, even though they can't use it freely and wouldn't use it in character anyway.

My main takeaway about One this episode is that her realm is acausal. Gaty wasn't affected by changes to her past when she was in the realm.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

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This probably has to be the best episode of TPOT (And to an extent, the series) so far. Though, it was admittedly painful to see my 2nd best girl in the series (Basketball) go since I really wanted to see her stay longer in the game to have more moments of her rivalry with Golf Ball.

It was actually fun seeing time travel being involved in the challenge that led to the contestants going back to various pieces in time to rescue the failed debuters while also reliving some key moments in the series in a way that it was full of throwbacks. Thanks to this episode, we now know that Total Firey Island and BFDI Mini is officially canon to the main timeline (Even though there's a plot hole that got formed in the latter spin-off series where the moon in that series is in space even though it should've been on the surface of the Earth). And we even get to see One's plan being explored deeper in a way that she potentially wants the universe gone if she doesn't get Two's power.

Speaking of One, given how she has the power to restore the timeline back to normal to stop it from collapsing, and that the universe houses an underworld within the Earth's core, perhaps there's Low Multiversal arguments to be made?

Do you think we might need to do another CRT? I can maybe help with the BFDI Mini stuff, if it's needed.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Do you think we might need to do another CRT? I can maybe help with the BFDI Mini stuff, if it's needed.

Yeah, that would be fine. Speaking in regards to the latest episode:

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You think it's fine that Two and Four should scale to One's power? Not only was this done very casually with just the kick of a foot, but One outright implied that she isn't any stronger than Two, and we know that Two likely isn't any more powerful than Four.

In regards to if this just scales to reality warping, I've been thinking that this should also scale to their physicals. Coming to think of the reasoning that Four and Two's peak power only scales to reality warping because "if it scaled to their physical power it would contradict the narrative of Black Hole [Who is stronger than the rest of the contestants] holding back to stop himself from reaching his peak power through absorbing the universe and killing everyone," their reality warping has never been used much IIRC, especially since one of Four's main methods of handling things is through physical offense (Via Zappies or physical strength). Not to mention, given the nature of Black Hole's physiology, he already kills everyone through bypassing their durability with passive deconstruction, and the reasoning for him even getting a High 3-A rating for his peak power was just out of sheer size on what he can affect with his range, not necessarily out of getting stronger physically since it's hardly been used when he just deconstructs anything he touches. Even then, who said the contestants can't just downscale in power via taking hits from potentially casual Four attacks and being able to somewhat hurt him especially since infinity divided by 999999999 is still infinity?

Basically, I'm saying that if Four and Two are getting upgraded to 2-C through scaling from One's timeline restoration feat, it can scale to their physical power since One's feat was very casual with One being implied to be weaker than Two who is implied to be just about even in strength against Four, and by proxy the contestants can downscale from Four and Two through harming them somewhat even if the contestants are meant to be weaker than them lore-wise (Think of an "At most" rating for them).

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

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You think it's fine that Two and Four should scale to One's power? Not only was this done very casually with just the kick of a foot, but One outright implied that she isn't any stronger than Two, and we know that Two likely isn't any more powerful than Four.

That much is reliable, as One having less power than Two and wanting to steal Two's power seems to be her entire motive for tampering with the show.

In regards to if this just scales to reality warping, I've been thinking that this should also scale to their physicals. Coming to think of the reasoning that Four and Two's peak power only scales to reality warping because "if it scaled to their physical power it would contradict the narrative of Black Hole [Who is stronger than the rest of the contestants] holding back to stop himself from reaching his peak power through absorbing the universe and killing everyone," their reality warping has never been used much IIRC, especially since one of Four's main methods of handling things is through physical offense (Via Zappies or physical strength). Not to mention, given the nature of Black Hole's physiology, he already kills everyone through bypassing their durability with passive deconstruction, and the reasoning for him even getting a High 3-A rating for his peak power was just out of sheer size on what he can affect with his range, not necessarily out of getting stronger physically since it's hardly been used when he just deconstructs anything he touches. Even then, who said the contestants can't just downscale in power via taking hits from potentially casual Four attacks and being able to somewhat hurt him especially since infinity divided by 999999999 is still infinity?

Basically, I'm saying that if Four and Two are getting upgraded to 2-C through scaling from One's timeline restoration feat, it can scale to their physical power since One's feat was very casual with One being implied to be weaker than Two who is implied to be just about even in strength against Four, and by proxy the contestants can downscale from Four and Two through harming them somewhat even if the contestants are meant to be weaker than them lore-wise (Think of an "At most" rating for them).

I don't see why you're using the quantity of times Four has used his zapping and physical strength as a reason to claim these are representative of the peak of his power utilization. Four's contextual top tier -ness comes from him being stated to be "omnipotent" in the sense that he's the type of host who can produce magical effects to allow him to control basically anything about the challenges he presents. These are non-physical attributes about him. Playing devil's advocate, it's arguably not even a statement about his reality warping's potency, and could've just been referring to how versatile he is. Four can indeed use super physical characteristics from that pool of "omnipotent" magic, often leading to him physically overpowering contestants, but the sheer fact that he uses zapping and physical strength a lot doesn't at all justify your idea that he has ever utilized the entirety of his non-physical infinite supernatural prowess at the same time harnessed all into one physical strike. This means when the contestants somewhat hurt Four physically, they aren't using a small fraction of infinite strength, they're just not harming something that's physically infinite in strength. Using the in-setting lingo, the idea that all the contestants have "At most Omnipotent/Limitless level" physical strength still seems to rob Four and Two of what makes them special compared to the contestants.

What you wrote about Black Hole can be true, but the scaling you're proposing about him depends on my previous point being false. Hypothetically, if a random average contestant such as Ice Cube were to have proven she could simply close the space-time rift with her feet when it became Low Multiverse level, then indeed, Black Hole at his smallest would scale above that in Low Multiverse level, and the same would be true at his potential largest even though it'd be boring for him to have the same tier across all his sizes. Likewise, hypothetically, if it were to be confirmed that Two utilized the entire infinite pool of their non-physical limitless power just for the strength test amusement park game back in TPOT 3, then contestants being able to break those blocks would be Low Multiverse level by now, and Black Hole would scale above the other contestants in that tier across all his sizes. All of that is hypothetical though. For now, all we know is that Two can become stronger by an unknown amount directly from their limitless power, and anything that's Low Multiverse level in this series has been restricted to forces that most contestants don't scale to.

 

[Psychomaster35]

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That much is reliable, as One having less power than Two and wanting to steal Two's power seems to be her entire motive for tampering with the show.

I don't see why you're using the quantity of times Four has used his zapping and physical strength as a reason to claim these are representative of the peak of his power utilization. Four's contextual top tier -ness comes from him being stated to be "omnipotent" in the sense that he's the type of host who can produce magical effects to allow him to control basically anything about the challenges he presents. These are non-physical attributes about him. Playing devil's advocate, it's arguably not even a statement about his reality warping's potency, and could've just been referring to how versatile he is. Four can indeed use super physical characteristics from that pool of "omnipotent" magic, often leading to him physically overpowering contestants, but the sheer fact that he uses zapping and physical strength a lot doesn't at all justify your idea that he has ever utilized the entirety of his non-physical infinite supernatural prowess at the same time harnessed all into one physical strike. This means when the contestants somewhat hurt Four physically, they aren't using a small fraction of infinite strength, they're just not harming something that's physically infinite in strength. Using the in-setting lingo, the idea that all the contestants have "At most Omnipotent/Limitless level" physical strength still seems to rob Four and Two of what makes them special compared to the contestants.

What you wrote about Black Hole can be true, but the scaling you're proposing about him depends on my previous point being false. Hypothetically, if a random average contestant such as Ice Cube were to have proven she could simply close the space-time rift with her feet when it became Low Multiverse level, then indeed, Black Hole at his smallest would scale above that in Low Multiverse level, and the same would be true at his potential largest even though it'd be boring for him to have the same tier across all his sizes. Likewise, hypothetically, if it were to be confirmed that Two utilized the entire infinite pool of their non-physical limitless power just for the strength test amusement park game back in TPOT 3, then contestants being able to break those blocks would be Low Multiverse level by now, and Black Hole would scale above the other contestants in that tier across all his sizes. All of that is hypothetical though. For now, all we know is that Two can become stronger by an unknown amount directly from their limitless power, and anything that's Low Multiverse level in this series has been restricted to forces that most contestants don't scale to.

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Looking back at the scene of One repairing the timeline, she would've had to close up the rift in the sky which was present in both the past and the present. I'm now starting to get the idea that telekinesis was involved in some way that allowed the rift to be closed up especially when we see Black Hole physically partially closing up the small crack which would still be 4-D in power in a sense. As for the whole "omnipotent" argument, I agree that it means that Four is pretty versatile, but it can also mean he's physically strong since omnipotence can extend to that. Considering how One finds herself not any stronger than Two (Potentially even weaker than them) despite how her timeline restoration feat was casual, and that Two can use their telekinesis to harm Four in BFB 16 (Which should be equal to/stronger than One's telekinesis that closed the rift), I do still see the feat scaling to their physicals.