Bobsican
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I've had a minor issue of sorts off-site on this stuff, and current standards lean into it being quite easy to consider/apply, so may as well.
Basically, currently we have this segment in the Soul Manipulation page:
Then this in the Concept Manipulation page:
So far it's clear there's an standard on the site of physically interacting with non-physical things doesn't give the respective power (say, Soul Manip), but rather just falls as NPI.
But then we have this in the Void Manipulation page:
I'm going to now list the issues:
- The note featured in Soul and CM should be removed and reworded to the NPI page, as much as a note on all hax abilities not having numbers as an inherent potency factor was just listed on the Hax page instead, namely out of ease in consistent reference and editing on the standard.
- Otherwise, the part in Concept Manip should be sent to Abstract Existence (it clearly refers to that power, plus not everyone with CM has AE to begin with), and a note similar to the one in the Concept and Soul Manip pages should be added to the Incorporeality page to avoid misunderstandings. The one in CM should also be removed as it's not really a physiology power on its own like AE, and should be handled there, or in the NPI page if anything. Note that I prefer the former as it's easier to apply and provides way more consistency on the standard.
- The before-mentioned Void Manip section needs to be reworded to avoid being contradictive/easy to misunderstand to this standard, namely clarify that such power isn't Void Manip by itself, but rather NPI, or even be removed.
- There's also the matter on that given recent NEP revisions, there's no real difference between someone "nonexistent" and that "does not exist", so that probably should be covered too regarding Void Manip.
Basically, currently we have this segment in the Soul Manipulation page:
It should be noted that the ability to interact with souls and other non-corporeal entities directly as if they were physical objects is usually considered Non-Physical Interaction and does not grant the user the ability to manipulate souls in other contexts.
Then this in the Concept Manipulation page:
It should be noted that the ability to interact with abstract entities (Type 1) directly as if they were physical objects is usually considered as non-physical interaction, and does not grant the user the ability to manipulate concepts in other contexts.
So far it's clear there's an standard on the site of physically interacting with non-physical things doesn't give the respective power (say, Soul Manip), but rather just falls as NPI.
But then we have this in the Void Manipulation page:
- Nonexistent Interaction: Since the user of this ability can treat "nothingness" as if it was a physical object they could manipulate, they can, in turn, affect beings that do not exist given that they also have the ability to perceive them. Note that it should not be assumed a character can 'manipulate' another character who is nonexistent, although it can be assumed that they can at least interact with characters who do not exist.
I'm going to now list the issues:
- The note featured in Soul and CM should be removed and reworded to the NPI page, as much as a note on all hax abilities not having numbers as an inherent potency factor was just listed on the Hax page instead, namely out of ease in consistent reference and editing on the standard.
- Otherwise, the part in Concept Manip should be sent to Abstract Existence (it clearly refers to that power, plus not everyone with CM has AE to begin with), and a note similar to the one in the Concept and Soul Manip pages should be added to the Incorporeality page to avoid misunderstandings. The one in CM should also be removed as it's not really a physiology power on its own like AE, and should be handled there, or in the NPI page if anything. Note that I prefer the former as it's easier to apply and provides way more consistency on the standard.
- The before-mentioned Void Manip section needs to be reworded to avoid being contradictive/easy to misunderstand to this standard, namely clarify that such power isn't Void Manip by itself, but rather NPI, or even be removed.
- There's also the matter on that given recent NEP revisions, there's no real difference between someone "nonexistent" and that "does not exist", so that probably should be covered too regarding Void Manip.