now that Arceus is 2-A (Grace)

[TyranoDoom30]

Arceus vs Gilgamesh (Fate)

both are 2-A and speed is equal

(sorry for big ass images if you're troubled)

votes:
Goat Jesus: 1 (YungManzi)
is that dio:
incon: 10 (Planck69, Rikimarox2, CrimsonStarFallen, Zencha9, Ned_the_Outer_God, Lord_JJJ, The_Wright_Way, StrymULTRA, ProfessorKukui4Life, I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die)

extra:
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[Rikimarox2]

Goat jesus via being much, much larger than Gilgamesh.

I'm not joking, Gilgamesh cannot affect Arceus due to its size.

 

[John985]

But he cant also deal with ten crowns.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I mean, idk how that would work against someone who is infinitely larger than you. Regardless, at worst, this is an incon as neither can affect the other.

 

[Regidian]

I mean, idk how that would work against someone who is infinitely larger than you. Regardless, at worst, this is an incon as neither can affect the other.

Because it have nothing to do with the range of gilga technically

 

[John985]

More like, that's the only answer.

 

[Planck69]

Because it have nothing to do with the range of gilga technically

He doesn't have the range to affect Arceus. He's not beating it.

Incon.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Yeah, change my vote to Incon then. If its ten crown fuckery works, then neither can affect the other.

 

[Regidian]

He doesn't have the range to affect Arceus. He's not beating it.

Incon.

Why you talk about that? I don't have tell that he have the range of affecting arceus

 

[John985]

Well, you can also say that he have the range, when Gil manage to beat BB with her 8D barrier.

 

[StrymULTRA]

How's Arceus not beating Gilgamesh, just curious.

 

[John985]

Ten Crowns EX.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ten Crowns EX.

Subjective Reality (Has Ten Crowns EX added, which is noted to be the same ability as BB's Ten Crowns EX, which passively negates attacks),

That's hella NLF, BB is baseline, and never shown to null attacks with >baseline 2-A range, especially if the opponent if almost x60 million times larger than that.

 

[Schnee_One]

Arceus is 60 million times 2A?

 

[John985]

AP doesn't really matter with Hax though.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Arceus is 60 million times 2A?

Yup

AP doesn't really matter with Hax though.

But range does, a thing even BB lacks

 

[Rikimarox2]

Arceus is 60 million times 2A?

In size, yes. Not sure about ap tho

 

[StrymULTRA]

In size, yes. Not sure about ap tho

AP has yet to be discussed, but is definitely this much above baseline range-wise.

 

[John985]

Well, higher dimension stuff was accepted in the Root CRT. So no idea if they gonna get that tier. Or they would get that 8D range.

Higher dimension stuff is still in BB's profile.

Atm it's incon because of ten crowns, or stomp because of 8D stuff.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well, higher dimension stuff was accepted in the Root CRT. So no idea if they gonna get that tier. Or they would get that 8D range.

Higher dimension stuff is still in BB's profile.

Atm it's incon because of ten crowns, or stomp because of 8D stuff.

Range: Multiversal+ (Saver, when controlling the mooncell with Chakravatin, threathened to end all possibilities, BB who fused with the entire Mooncell should be comparable. BB is the master of Imaginary Number Space , and she gained processing power equal to the MoonCell. C.C.C. is an Anti-World Noble Phantasm that violates the world through BB's control over the MoonCell by use of drawing out the maximum potential of her EX skill "Potnia Theron")

No, she's still just baseline in range

 

[Zencha9]

pretty sure gil doesn't have Ten Crowns...

 

[Regidian]

Yup

But range does, a thing even BB lacks

Like i tell ten crown is not about range of Gilgamesh since it will just passively negate that enter the range of ten crown, arceus can be infinitely higher in size if his atk enter the range of ten crown they get negate

 

[StrymULTRA]

Like i tell ten crown is not about range of Gilgamesh since it will just passively negate that enter the range of ten crown, arceus can be infinitely higher in size if his atk enter the range of ten crown they get negate

NLF, they never nulled attacks ranged that much wide

 

[John985]

Range: Multiversal+ (Saver, when controlling the mooncell with Chakravatin, threathened to end all possibilities, BB who fused with the entire Mooncell should be comparable. BB is the master of Imaginary Number Space , and she gained processing power equal to the MoonCell. C.C.C. is an Anti-World Noble Phantasm that violates the world through BB's control over the MoonCell by use of drawing out the maximum potential of her EX skill "Potnia Theron")

No, she's still just baseline in range

Read the power and abilities in BB page, it's there that talk about her higher dimension manipulation.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Read the power and abilities in BB page, it's there that talk about her higher dimension manipulation.

If only her range isn't 2-A anyways

 

[Regidian]

NLF, they never nulled attacks ranged that much wide

Being more ranged doesn't do anything since they will automatically enter in the range of ten crown for be able to affect gilga.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

pretty sure gil doesn't have Ten Crowns...

He's supposed to lose it if anything

 

[StrymULTRA]

Being more ranged doesn't do anything since they will automatically enter in the range of ten crown for be able to affect gilga.

It does if the latter never had feats of nulling attacks above baseline.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

AP or range don't matter against hax. That's the whole point. It would only matter if Arceus was a whole dimension above Gil, which... he isn't.

Either way Ten Crowns makes Gilgamesh unable to die but he can't hit Arceus, incon for now

 

[Regidian]

It does if the latter never had feats of nulling attacks above baseline.

The only thing above baseline is his range bruh, and it will get negated when enter the range of ten crown, and actually pretty most of the atk of arceus doesn't have even thz range of his size

 

[Zencha9]

yeah i vote incon for now

 

[StrymULTRA]

AP or range don't matter against hax.

Ap not, but range yes, as it requires feats of nulling attacks that wide, heck, is the reason why Yogiri couldn't beat Madoka

 

[Regidian]

Ap not, but range yes, as it requires feats of nulling attacks that wide, heck, is the reason why Yogiri couldn't beat Madoka

Yogiri can't beat because his atk doesn't show that range but for ten crown it's about atk reaching the range of ten crown not ten crown reaching the range of the ennemy

 

[Rikimarox2]

AP or range don't matter against hax. That's the whole point. It would only matter if Arceus was a whole dimension above Gil, which... he isn't.

Either way Ten Crowns makes Gilgamesh unable to die but he can't hit Arceus, incon for now

Except it does? That's the reason why Yogiri couldn't beat Madoka

 

[sanicspood]

incon ig fra

 

[Planck69]

Arceus can't really do anything to Gilgamesh with the Ten Crowns. That said, Gil can't hurt Llama boi due to range. This is an incon.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yogiri can't beat because his atk doesn't show that range but for ten crown it's about atk reaching the range of ten crown not ten crown reaching the range of the ennemy

And here NLF goes in, assuming that Ten Crowns have feats of nulling such ranged attacks.

And yes, Arceus size alone makes its attacks that much ranged

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Well then that's dumb lol, what logic even is that, even if he can't null the entire attack thanks to range, he would still null the part that did hit him.

Hell, Arceus doesn't even resist Subjective Reality/Causality Manip.

Also, may i ask, why are you guys treating Arceus's ap as "60 million times above baseline" again? We had new standards for 2-A AP not too long ago.

 

[Zencha9]

And here NLF goes in, assuming that Ten Crowns have feats of nulling such ranged attacks.

And yes, Arceus size alone makes its attacks that much ranged

i mean sure gil can't null the full attacks but it still doesn't matter because right now anything in the range of Ten Crowns just gets nulled

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also, may i ask, why are you guys treating Arceus's ap as "60 million times above baseline" again? We had new standards for 2-A AP not too long ago.

Pokémon got a recent CRT where now the multiverse got bumped to 60 million multiverses each with countless to infinite timelines.