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That's why I said "with enough supporters"Yeah nah, you can't apply a revision this game-changing willy-nilly unless you have a lot of staff support on this one, especially from the admins and bureaucrats.
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That's why I said "with enough supporters"Yeah nah, you can't apply a revision this game-changing willy-nilly unless you have a lot of staff support on this one, especially from the admins and bureaucrats.
Do you have any specific examples of that in mind? If we got any similar cases to this, then my stance on them would be similar. Every upgrade I've approved based on "Something infinite is part of another thing" had the latter thing have some description which let us infer that, no, it wasn't a situation where the part may actually be equal in size to the whole.The "size comparison statement" stuff is honestly getting old. 70% of Tier 1 doesn't have it or seem to be bothered by the lack thereof. Whether Ultima is still applying that standard to the rest of the site and God of War is what reminded him or something, I dunno. But we should really stop parroting it like it's gospel.
This one's new. I haven't seen much that suggests the cycle of creation is its own higher timeline, or anything of that sort. Do you have the relevant stuff on hand? (Or can you like, point me to it, if it has already been said)I do agree with Yggdrasil having a higher form of time than that of the Nine Realms, considering this time-flow is what the cycle of creation and destruction of the Nine Realms follow, not to mention the Realms are their own space-times yet Ymir himself was still bound by time.
I believe it's accepted as a literal transcendence. It's the reason for Yggdrasil's BDE type 2 as well as it's HDE on it's page.And, for the matter, this statement isn't indicative of this. "Transcending time, transcending space" can fairly easily refer to how Yggdrasil isn't bound to any particular era or location, but stretches throughout all of them instead.
I took that to be more so just Sutr's power scaling to such a level. Seeing as the Realms would've fallen bar Asgard without his intervention and Ymir himself, whose body ended up making up multiple separate space-times was bound by it and existed "when time was young/at the beginning of time".And, for the matter, this statement isn't indicative of this. "Transcending time, transcending space" can fairly easily refer to how Yggdrasil isn't bound to any particular era or location, but stretches throughout all of them instead. The cycle that Yggdrasil presides over being greater than Surtr's incineration at the end of Ragnarok is also not something I'd take literally, or at least not to the extent it means it infinitely transcends the event, given that Ratatoskr says that Surtr blowing shit up shook the entire tree.
Of like, "size comparison" stuff? I mentioned a few verses I'm aware of above. Mostly, Kingdom Hearts and Bayonetta. Granted, it's not an issue that I have with them specifically and more so the assumption that every Low 1-C structure must have such statements or follow such a trend.Do you have any specific examples of that in mind? If we got any similar cases to this, then my stance on them would be similar. Every upgrade I've approved based on "Something infinite is part of another thing" had the latter thing have some description which let us infer that, no, it wasn't a situation where the part may actually be equal in size to the whole.
The God of War Explanation Page's Yggdrasil and Nine Realms section cover all relevant material to this. It's not too much information though, so don't expect a Twin Peaks bible.This one's new. I haven't seen much that suggests the cycle of creation is its own higher timeline, or anything of that sort. Do you have the relevant stuff on hand? (Or can you like, point me to it, if it has already been said)
the thing is, word "transcending time" could refer to Yggdrasil omnipresence. But "Transcending Space" could refer to qualitative superiority. This is why Freya separate those words. To make it more clearAnd, for the matter, this statement isn't indicative of this. "Transcending time, transcending space" can fairly easily refer to how Yggdrasil isn't bound to any particular era or location, but stretches throughout all of them instead. The cycle that Yggdrasil presides over being greater than Surtr's incineration at the end of Ragnarok is also not something I'd take literally, or at least not to the extent it means it infinitely transcends the event, given that Ratatoskr says that Surtr blowing shit up shook the entire tree.
I think he meant verses that are Low 1-C without size comparison statements. Both Kingdom Hearts and Bayonetta do have those statements.Of like, "size comparison" stuff? I mentioned a few verses I'm aware of above. Mostly, Kingdom Hearts and Bayonetta. Granted, it's not an issue that I have with them specifically and more so the assumption that every Low 1-C structure must have such statements or follow such a trend.
I guess this was explained in the norse cosmology page.This one's new. I haven't seen much that suggests the cycle of creation is its own higher timeline, or anything of that sort. Do you have the relevant stuff on hand? (Or can you like, point me to it, if it has already been said)
DT and ultima seem to disagree with op and don't forget to vote for them.The whole deal with the Nine Realms sitting on Yggdrasil's branches doesn't really mean much. I think I already explained that, when it comes to infinite structures, the part isn't necessarily smaller than the whole. The stuff that KLOL's quoted from me already lays out as much. You'd need something indicating that Yggdrasil's scope is infinitely greater than the scope of the realms themselves, and "They're a part of it/hanging on it" doesn't cut it.
And, for the matter, this statement isn't indicative of this. "Transcending time, transcending space" can fairly easily refer to how Yggdrasil isn't bound to any particular era or location, but stretches throughout all of them instead. The cycle that Yggdrasil presides over being greater than Surtr's incineration at the end of Ragnarok is also not something I'd take literally, or at least not to the extent it means it infinitely transcends the event, given that Ratatoskr says that Surtr blowing shit up shook the entire tree.
Do you have any specific examples of that in mind? If we got any similar cases to this, then my stance on them would be similar. Every upgrade I've approved based on "Something infinite is part of another thing" had the latter thing have some description which let us infer that, no, it wasn't a situation where the part may actually be equal in size to the whole.
This one's new. I haven't seen much that suggests the cycle of creation is its own higher timeline, or anything of that sort. Do you have the relevant stuff on hand? (Or can you like, point me to it, if it has already been said)
So, we've made arguments, because Ultima thinks we're just making infinitely bigger branches out of branches that transcend space and time, but that's not the case, there are a few other things added to the OPDT and ultima seem to disagree with op and don't forget to vote for them.
So, we've made arguments, because Ultima thinks we're just making infinitely bigger branches out of branches that transcend space and time, but that's not the case, there are a few other things added to the OP
I think Ultima has enough authority to say that for himself instead of you doing it for him.Ultima has announced that it clearly agrees with the KLOL506's comments and I don't think he has anything to say.
because he's stuck working on cosmology marvel which is the biggest verse. That's why he doesn't have time to talk to this thread.
My point is that the cosmology page and the OP should be read more carefully and this revision not judged by a single statement. That's all I ask.Ultima has announced that it clearly agrees with the KLOL506's comments and I don't think he has anything to say.
because he's stuck working on cosmology marvel which is the biggest verse. That's why he doesn't have time to talk to this thread.
Why wait for him to reply to your comment before voting, bruh?DT and ultima seem to disagree with op and don't forget to vote for them.
Can you do us all a favor and be patient about the matter? Staff have responded, let them handle it.I just wanted this
Why wait for him to reply to your comment before voting, bruh?
For two line segments to be parallel, you'd have to set it so they wouldn't touch regardless of how far they are extended, which wouldn't be possible if they stood side-by-side in 1-D space as in here, meaning you would need them to be displaced over a plane. Same thing happens with planes: For them to be parallel, they shouldn't ever be able to meet, so you'd need them to be displaced over 3-D space. Generalizing that to the 4-D case, spacetimes would obviously have to be displaced over a 5-D region (This works by definition, too: If they're different spacetime continuums then obviously they can't share the same space, in the way 3-D objects exist around us for instance)
Hmmmm... Interesting, This should work.Hi, asked to comment, I figured I could take a crack at this. This comment is particularly for Ultima, since we’ve done this tango on another series before.
To start off, the Nine Realms are accepted space-times. We know this to be true, as from Ymir’s mural, the “sky” was born from his head. Don’t interpret the word “sky” as literal, as it clearly refers to more than just that, such as the stars being considered real when looking at outer space, and more importantly when Odin killed Ymir, he formed the other realms from his body. Each Realm operates on a separate time axis, as cited by Mimir, that time flows differently. Once more, in Ragnarok, Kratos confronts Atreus in Migard, and claims Atreus was gone for “two days” when in Jotunheim, despite hours minimum passing in there. I’m aware that you might say “time flowing differently doesn’t imply a different time axis”, but this isn’t the case, as the realms need an item called a Bifrost, which allows traversal, meaning that conventional walking isn’t enough. This is again proven when Odin seals the realms apart, and you have to use Yggdrasil seeds instead.
With this established, the 9 Realms are universal-sized bodies operating on their own time axes. I’m sure you know that space-times are infinitely bigger than their 3-D counterparts.
Onto the Yggdrasil, the more important bits, visually, the realms are sitting atop the branches and roots of the Yggdrasil. In lore, this is reiterated, when Freya asserts all realms exist in the same physical space, but that its roots reach out to all the realms, and the actual tree cuts between the planes. The latter portion is important, because where the bulk of the Tree is in the Realm between Realms. The literal space between all Realms, and center of the spiritual cosmos. Referring to a comment you made prior:
In this case, attempting to match your logic here, the 4-D space (Nine Realms), are displaced across the 5-D plane (Realm between Realms), and therefore the Yggdrasil, which stretches out infinitely. I hope this recontextulizes the arguments in a new light, had to do a lot of reading for this, lol.
Bruh even i ask @LordGriffin1000 also @LephyrTheRevanchist for counted they vote and make sure we will count them as what. If he not say agree or disagree or neutral we cannot counted they voteI just wanted this
Why wait for him to reply to your comment before voting, bruh?
okay i'll wait for him to reply Now, there are several arguments that Ultima has to address. Right now, I'm going to visit Brazil and I don't do anything crazy like putting a C.V mark on my forehead.Bruh even i ask @LordGriffin1000 also @LephyrTheRevanchist for counted they vote and make sure we will count them as what. If he not say agree or disagree or neutral we cannot counted they vote
This is that vsbattle wiki bull that makes me stay away from tier 1/higher d nonsense. It's too confusingBeing infinite compared to other 4D constructs (low 2-C) can just make you an infinite 4D structure (2-A)
The transcend "their space and time" part I do not understand, it largely depends on the context it was made
Also even if the structures are also infinite 4D, there are numbers of ways one infinity can be larger or multiple infinities being a subset of one larger infinity that, that does not necessarily mean uncountable infinite.
Please don't abandon us, sir Griffin.This is that vsbattle wiki bull that makes me stay away from tier 1/higher d nonsense.
Ahh... I hadn't seen that. Btw, the branches, strands and roots you call 2-A are Yggdrasil'sI have to agree that, the OP should have waited a bit and got all the supporters along
Being infinite compared to other 4D constructs (low 2-C) can just make you an infinite 4D structure (2-A)
The transcend "their space and time" part I do not understand, it largely depends on the context it was made
Also even if the structures are also infinite 4D, there are numbers of ways one infinity can be larger or multiple infinities being a subset of one larger infinity that, that does not necessarily mean uncountable infinite.
Preach.This is that vsbattle wiki bull that makes me stay away from tier 1/higher d nonsense. It's too confusing
This is that vsbattle wiki bull that makes me stay away from tier 1/higher d nonsense. It's too confusing
Disagree Ig-
I am kidding, I agree with the CRTScrew you
Bruh, only 2 hours passed.Bump
Longest 2 hours of my life nglBruh, only 2 hours passed.
Bruh... it feels like eternityBruh, only 2 hours passed.