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Alright, it's finally here, Travis Touchdown's final adventure (maybe) is out and for the record, I think it's pretty good. But that's not what we're here for, it's time for some upgrades!
Obviously, spoilers for No More Heroes III here.
Either way, the point here is that it's possible "destroying the planet" is used in this game as shorthand for "surface wiping". The other feats have very straightforward 5-B wording on their own, which is why I think possibly 5-B fits here- there's no real way to tell if the "surface wiping" meaning of "planet destruction" applies to those feats as well considering the context is very dfiferent, which is why I think "At least High 6-A, possibly 5-B" is the best rating.
Also, compared to Mr. Blackhole, Sonic Juice's case is a bit weirder, there is little visible ground and you can see an entire galaxy behind SJ despite it being day, the fish are flying in the sky, and you can even see the edge of it, it's really weird and abstract and it might be a legit 5-B feat on its own, I'm not arguing anything specific with this I just want to show that it's not a very straightforward thing.
Since the space minibosses are below Mr. Blackhole almost everyone scales to this, here's a more detailed scaling chain I put together. Fun fact, Notorious doesn't scale to this physically, he actually has zero physical feats in this game, his Akashic Cannon is what scales.
Well, hopefully this all makes sense, I'm moving on.
Oh, also, the fodder has a 9-A feat.
I understand some might still be a bit wary of that statement as hyperbole, but keep in mind that Travis' Sub-Relativistic+ feat comes from the rank #7 fight of the first game, not even halfway through it. He's had 13 years to get stronger and faster since then which is something that is even brought up at some points, I think it's very believable that he's reached FTL levels by now.
Other fodder on Fullface's level will get "Likely Relativistic+" as Fullfaces should be faster than them since their speed is explicitly pointed out while theirs isn't, but considering they're in the same class of enemy and aren't much slower in gameplay, they should still be relative to Fullfaces.
Also, Travis' Bougainvillea mode has Sub-Rel+ movement speed
Fodder has a Peak Human feat.
So I'm not gonna post everything here, I've heard overly long posts can break a few people's phone browsers and this one's getting kinda big already. So, here's that sandbox with a list of every single planned P&A for all NMH characters (plus some notes I took while rewatching, feel free to ignore those). It's a lot, but I'd appreciate if people were to look through it, give me their thoughts and all. Or you can just give me a blind FRA that makes my job easier.
Obviously, spoilers for No More Heroes III here.
Stats
Attack Potency
This is quite the big jump considering the characters are 8-B as of TSA, but I believe there is good evidence for an "At least High 6-A, possibly 5-B" rating:- Ice Shaver: "His ice cannons are powerful enough to destroy entire planets!"
- Space Peacock: "If he wraps us up and fires his beam, the whole planet is toast!"
- Not only that, but Space Peacock's size is a planetary feat in itself. "Spread out fully, his wingspan is enough to envelope the Earth!". And sure enough, Travis can not only hurt him, but even slice him in half and destroy him with an explosion. I tried to calculate its GBE but due to its weird shape any lowball method I tried got really low, but it should be fairly evident. It's worth mentioning these guys are weaker than the main bosses, the Galactic Superhero Association, I can get into the scaling if necessary but it is fairly straightforward.
- Any of the members of FU's Galactic Superhero Association are be able to destroy the planet.
- FU destroyed Mr. Blackhole and Sonic Juice's planets off-screen.
Either way, the point here is that it's possible "destroying the planet" is used in this game as shorthand for "surface wiping". The other feats have very straightforward 5-B wording on their own, which is why I think possibly 5-B fits here- there's no real way to tell if the "surface wiping" meaning of "planet destruction" applies to those feats as well considering the context is very dfiferent, which is why I think "At least High 6-A, possibly 5-B" is the best rating.
Also, compared to Mr. Blackhole, Sonic Juice's case is a bit weirder, there is little visible ground and you can see an entire galaxy behind SJ despite it being day, the fish are flying in the sky, and you can even see the edge of it, it's really weird and abstract and it might be a legit 5-B feat on its own, I'm not arguing anything specific with this I just want to show that it's not a very straightforward thing.
Since the space minibosses are below Mr. Blackhole almost everyone scales to this, here's a more detailed scaling chain I put together. Fun fact, Notorious doesn't scale to this physically, he actually has zero physical feats in this game, his Akashic Cannon is what scales.
Well, hopefully this all makes sense, I'm moving on.
Oh, also, the fodder has a 9-A feat.
Speed
The "Fullface" enemy is where the speed feats come from. "The helmet prevents him from freezing his own face off when drawing at the speed of light!", which is literally as straighforward as it gets. Also, he's called a "Superliminal sword master" in the same info screen, which not only makes it clearer that it's not hyperbole, but possibly implies the enemy is FTL instead of SoL. That part doesn't really matter though, this enemy is as fodder as it gets, not only can Travis fight off multiple of them at a time, but the bosses he'll end up facing are canonically way more powerful and skilled. Hell, even among the enemies, Fullfaces are in the lower tiers, there's ones that are clearly marked as stronger through having a health bar and Fullfaces don't have one. So, basically every named character upscales to FTL.I understand some might still be a bit wary of that statement as hyperbole, but keep in mind that Travis' Sub-Relativistic+ feat comes from the rank #7 fight of the first game, not even halfway through it. He's had 13 years to get stronger and faster since then which is something that is even brought up at some points, I think it's very believable that he's reached FTL levels by now.
Other fodder on Fullface's level will get "Likely Relativistic+" as Fullfaces should be faster than them since their speed is explicitly pointed out while theirs isn't, but considering they're in the same class of enemy and aren't much slower in gameplay, they should still be relative to Fullfaces.
Also, Travis' Bougainvillea mode has Sub-Rel+ movement speed
Lifting Strength
In the climax of the final boss fight, Travis ends up withstanding the weight of a huge-ass mech as his own mech pushes it out of orbit. Very straightforward feat that upgrades him to Class M, but who scales to this? Only FU and Damon's alien form, in my opinion, since they're the only ones who can fight an endgame Travis and resist his attempts at grabbing them- backscaling it to anyone else would be imprudent, so every other new character who has a reason for LS scaling gets "At least Class K (Fought an early-game/mid-game/late-game Travis Touchdown, who should be superior to his Travis Strikes Again self)"Fodder has a Peak Human feat.
Range
Planetary for the BougainvilleaPowers and Abilities
There's a lot of new P&A. Like, a lot. My sandbox is over 50k bytes and it's almost only P&A.So I'm not gonna post everything here, I've heard overly long posts can break a few people's phone browsers and this one's getting kinda big already. So, here's that sandbox with a list of every single planned P&A for all NMH characters (plus some notes I took while rewatching, feel free to ignore those). It's a lot, but I'd appreciate if people were to look through it, give me their thoughts and all. Or you can just give me a blind FRA that makes my job easier.
