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Issue #1:
Currently, almost every character in Earth's Mightiest Heroes scales to High 5-A. The High-5-A comes from Galactus' feat, and the scaling comes from Thor hurting him. But I don't see why anyone should scale to Galactus at all. The problem is that while Thor did indeed hurt/stagger Galactus, we have no reason to assume that this Galactus is as strong as the one who performed the High 5-A feat. Iron Man, when analyzing Galactus, says that his energy levels are dropping. When Galactus rebuilt the machines created by his Heralds, Iron Man said that it cost him precious energy and that's why he needs Heralds.
This means that the Galactus at the end of the episode (when Thor hit him) is heavily drained of energy and thus much weaker than the Galactus at the beginning of the episode. And because of that, we can't scale Thor's attack to a feat Galactus did via unknown means and with unknown energy.
Issue #2:
A Tier 5 supporting feat seems to be Graviton controlling Earth's gravity. For one, there is no evidence given on the profiles for this. Furthermore, we have no reason to believe he is capable of wielding the entirety of that power at once. In fact, we know he doesn't, because the only changes in gravity are localized around him. When he fights the Avengers, the gravity outside the fight is completely normal. He is manipulating all of Earth's gravity at once, so he wouldn't scale to Low 5-B just because he can control gravity.
Issue #3:
The other thing on the profiles I could find that is used as support for Tier 5 is Hulk being confident he could survive a bomb capable of destroying the planet. While I'll admit this is more of a solid basis for scaling than the previous two, I still have a couple of issues with it. The first is that it's just said that the blast radius would be the entire Earth, not that it would destroy the planet. As far as I know, that's just High 6-A. The second is that, to me, this seems more like comedic overconfidence from the Hulk than any serious statement about his power.'
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Issue #4:
Ok this one is mostly nitpicking. I don't like the High 6-C calc. I don't think the explosions are actually that size, its just a visual choice to illustrate that the Earth is being bombarded. There is no indication in the story that dozens of extinction level explosions are constantly going off across the planet, the most we get is that the most powerful laser on the ship would destroy New York City.
Issue #5:
Because Marvel Comics operates under the logic of "everyone can fight everyone," VSBW has more stringent standards for scaling characters to one another than other verses. I believe this idea should be applied to EMH as well. All characters are capable of fighting one another, and you have characters like Hawkeye with no powers whatsoever who are scaled to High 5-A using the same logic the wiki seeks to avoid in Marvel Comics. I don't think merely staggering another, or surviving casual attacks from powerful villains, just be grounds for scaling in EMH just like it isn't in the comics. If a character's feats wouldn't be enough to scale them to a stronger character in the comics, they shouldn't be enough to scale in EMH.
Issue #6:
Upgrade this time? I think that Odinforce Loki, and Odin if he were to get a profile, could get 2-C. The realms are not limited to planets are are probably entire universes, and we have two statements of characters being able to destroy them. I don't think any character should necessarily scale to this, as no one was able to truly stand up against Loki. The scaling from Loki shouldn't be an issue as no one really does anyway (He is listed as "At least High 5-A, likely far higher" and is the only character to have that rating).
Proposal:
Currently, almost every character in Earth's Mightiest Heroes scales to High 5-A. The High-5-A comes from Galactus' feat, and the scaling comes from Thor hurting him. But I don't see why anyone should scale to Galactus at all. The problem is that while Thor did indeed hurt/stagger Galactus, we have no reason to assume that this Galactus is as strong as the one who performed the High 5-A feat. Iron Man, when analyzing Galactus, says that his energy levels are dropping. When Galactus rebuilt the machines created by his Heralds, Iron Man said that it cost him precious energy and that's why he needs Heralds.
This means that the Galactus at the end of the episode (when Thor hit him) is heavily drained of energy and thus much weaker than the Galactus at the beginning of the episode. And because of that, we can't scale Thor's attack to a feat Galactus did via unknown means and with unknown energy.
Issue #2:
A Tier 5 supporting feat seems to be Graviton controlling Earth's gravity. For one, there is no evidence given on the profiles for this. Furthermore, we have no reason to believe he is capable of wielding the entirety of that power at once. In fact, we know he doesn't, because the only changes in gravity are localized around him. When he fights the Avengers, the gravity outside the fight is completely normal. He is manipulating all of Earth's gravity at once, so he wouldn't scale to Low 5-B just because he can control gravity.
Issue #3:
The other thing on the profiles I could find that is used as support for Tier 5 is Hulk being confident he could survive a bomb capable of destroying the planet. While I'll admit this is more of a solid basis for scaling than the previous two, I still have a couple of issues with it. The first is that it's just said that the blast radius would be the entire Earth, not that it would destroy the planet. As far as I know, that's just High 6-A. The second is that, to me, this seems more like comedic overconfidence from the Hulk than any serious statement about his power.'
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Secondary Concerns ---Issue #4:
Ok this one is mostly nitpicking. I don't like the High 6-C calc. I don't think the explosions are actually that size, its just a visual choice to illustrate that the Earth is being bombarded. There is no indication in the story that dozens of extinction level explosions are constantly going off across the planet, the most we get is that the most powerful laser on the ship would destroy New York City.
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Issue #6:
Upgrade this time? I think that Odinforce Loki, and Odin if he were to get a profile, could get 2-C. The realms are not limited to planets are are probably entire universes, and we have two statements of characters being able to destroy them. I don't think any character should necessarily scale to this, as no one was able to truly stand up against Loki. The scaling from Loki shouldn't be an issue as no one really does anyway (He is listed as "At least High 5-A, likely far higher" and is the only character to have that rating).
Proposal:
- Remove any and all scaling to Galactus, and change his tiering to "Varies up to High 5-A"
- Return all characters tiering to the next highest calc. Personally, I'd prefer it not being the High 6-C calc, but I'm less strongly opposed to that than I am to the Tier 5 stuff.
Impose stricter requirements on scaling, similar to the standards required for Marvel Comics. Characters who no longer make the cut to scale to Hulk/Thor tier characters should be given a new calc to scale to. And, potentially, as a compromise, a "possibly" rating.- Odinforce Loki should be upgraded to either "2-C" or "Likely 2-C." Odin should potentially get a profile with this rating as well.
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