NNT AP Revision

[ByAsura]

Is there anything against scaling sd's ap to her durability?

Other than the fact that her own amplified attack failed to harm her? Kind of think the subject is quite evident already.

Besides, if you're making the claim, so you need to show that there's something pointing towards it.

I think the dk vs escanor fight is evident enough to say that they can match characters who can hurt them

That was not normal Demon King, that was Demon King with all 10 Commandments (she's only been compared to 50% DK) and his youth restored.

 

[Sus]

I just realized the mistake, nvm

 

[Sus]

That was not normal Demon King, that was Demon King with all 10 Commandments (she's only been compared to 50% DK) and his youth restored.

So can't we give 50% dk equal durabilit but his ap doesn't scale

And only scale ap to dura for his prime? Because

If they had equal power but unequal durability that means one of them has a advantage, which isn't the case narrative wise

 

[ByAsura]

If they weren't really shown harming each other regardless, I fail to see how it'd really be an advantage. Plus, Demon King can nullify magical attacks, meaning SD couldn't really do much with light magic.

 

[Sus]

Well then, thats fine

 

[Sus]

I know this is ridiculous but

Shouldn't the commandments scale to the combined sins attack as they weren't destroyed by it?

 

[Sus]

Only in durability to clarify, and the demon king doesn't scale to it at all

 

[ByAsura]

I know this is ridiculous but

Shouldn't the commandments scale to the combined sins attack as they weren't destroyed by it?

Only in durability to clarify, and the demon king doesn't scale to it at all

Demon King could briefly stop the non-full Countered attack with all 10 of the Commandments (meaning he's 2x stronger than the Commandments already) and a major boost after assimilating Britannia, and the Full Countered combo that killed him was far stronger (2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 4096 x stronger than simply the combo).

The 10 Commandments alone are explicitly equal to 50% DK in terms of raw power.

The reason they survived is simply chalked up to the fact that they're non-corporeal curses.

 

[Majinere566]

100% Supreme Deity, 100% Demon King, The One and Ultimate One Escanor = 8.24 Petatons

True Magic>Assault Mode> 2nd Demon Mark Meliodas = 4.12 Petatons

Ban, King, 50% Deities, Cath Palug, Zeldris= 4.12 petatons

Now what's trippin me is that how Zeldris now scales to his Enchant attack regularly.

 

[ByAsura]

He scales to 1st Demon Mark's enchant with 2nd mark.

 

[Majinere566]

Okay and just to clarify 1st Mark is 412T?

 

[ByAsura]

No. That was 2nd Mark.

I guess this kills any consistency for 2nd Mark multiplier.

 

[Majinere566]

Damn then that's a problem

 

[Makai641001]

No. That was 2nd Mark.

I guess this kills any consistency for 2nd Mark multiplier.

I think we shoudn’t disregard AP values simply because they exceed 2x in this case as other parametres are to be taken into account like rage amps passive amps through Negative energy etc…

 

[Le'garde273]

That wasn't problem i think,
Base zeldris cbl equal to base purgatory meliodas
That was far stronger than holy war key

 

[ByAsura]

We could also place it under inconsistency.

Given that 1st Mark Zeldris survived his blows and shattered his spear (which was shown to be made of the same material in that scene), I'd say it's quite possible.

Plus, Mel didn't kill him with armour-wrecking punches.

 

[Majinere566]

Since its inconsistent we can't use this scaling?

 

[ByAsura]

I guess. Maybe y'all can figure something out.

Oh, also on this note.

Dahlia ~ 1st Mark Zeldris/Meliodas < Corand Arc The One.

So I finally have the utter and total proof I need to say that Post-Purgatory Base Meliodas does not scale to Post-Purgatory Ban and 50% DK. None of that.

Anyway, I'm going to bed.

 

[Majinere566]

I think we shoudn’t disregard AP values simply because they exceed 2x in this case as other parametres are to be taken into account like rage amps passive amps through Negative energy etc…

When was a character amped by negative energy again?

 

[Sus]

When was a character amped by negative energy again?

Nnt fans love making up stuff/j

 

[Majinere566]

What about a new key within in Zeldris CBL Key?

He goes from getting dominated to hanging with Meliodas against the Supreme Deity

 

[Sus]

What about a new key within in Zeldris CBL Key?

He goes from getting dominated to hanging with Meliodas against the Supreme Deity

No need for that really

 

[Makai641001]

When was a character amped by negative energy again?

Skelletons and the demons when they produce it

 

[Makai641001]

Nnt fans love making up stuff/j

Nothing that i made up you Just have to read NNT.

It is very clearly stated that Negative energy was amping the skelletons in the Corand arc.

It is also shown that negative feelings like rage drastically amp them like Zeldris going from being dominated by Mael to blitzing his ass and cutting him.

Negative energy also renforce miasma giving that have effects like instant death on those that have no Resistance and can make those who have strong resistances to disease feel weak even though AM Meli was uncounscious

You are Sus anyway

 

[Sus]

Nothing that i made up you Just have to read NNT.

/j = joking

 

[Makai641001]

/j = joking

I did not understand sorry

but at least i detailed it a bit

 

[Majinere566]

Okay Quick fix for CBL Scaling

Demon Realm Invasion

1st Demon Mark Zeldris: 206 Tt(Downscaled from 2nd Mark Zeldris) -(High 6-B)

Enchanted 1st Mark Zeldris: 2.06 Pt (6-A)

Dahila's Armour Form Durability: At least 2.06Pt(6-A)

2nd Demon Mark Meliodas: At least 2.06Pt (6-A)

Supreme Deity Fight

2nd Demon Mark Zeldris: 2.06 Pt(6-A), 20.6 with Enchantments (High 6-A)

2nd Demon Mark Meliodas: 2.06 Pt(6-A), 20.6 with Enchantments (High 6-A)

50% Supreme Deity: At least 2.06Pt(6-A), 4.16 Pt Durability(6-A+). 20.6Pt Durability with Barriers (High 6-A)

Tyrant Killing= 82.4 Pt (High 6-A)

Other Characters who scale to this

2.06 Pt= King, Ban, Cath Palug, Wild (6-A)

4.12 PT= Escanor, 100% Deities (6-A+)

I'm really considering 2 keys for this movie. Zeldris goes from struggling with Dahila to keeping up with Meliodas who dominated Dahila, and is fighting against the Supreme Deity

Gonna test my Luck here

2nd Mark Meliodas: 2.06 Pt (6-A)

1st Mark Meliodas: 1.03 Pt (6-A)

Base Meliodas: 515 Tt (High 6-B)

 

[Le'garde273]

Doesn't byasura ever said base meliodas in CBL/4KOA key was 400 teraton? For being above berserk tristan or i missed something?

 

[Majinere566]

Doesn't byasura ever said base meliodas in CBL/4KOA key was 400 teraton? For being above berserk tristan or i missed something?

Dunno ngl

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

I guess. Maybe y'all can figure something out.

We would have to nuke the 2x multiplier for 2nd mark for CBL scaling to Dahlia to work

 

[Majinere566]

As silly as it might sound I'm still on the 2 keys stuff for the movie, especially Zeldris.

He gets much better feats later on in the movie

 

[ByAsura]

Doesn't byasura ever said base meliodas in CBL/4KOA key was 400 teraton? For being above berserk tristan or i missed something?

Just 4KoA.

Okay Quick fix for CBL Scaling

Demon Realm Invasion

1st Demon Mark Zeldris: 206 Tt(Downscaled from 2nd Mark Zeldris) -(High 6-B)

Enchanted 1st Mark Zeldris: 2.06 Pt (6-A)

Dahila's Armour Form Durability: At least 2.06Pt(6-A)

2nd Demon Mark Meliodas: At least 2.06Pt (6-A)

Supreme Deity Fight

2nd Demon Mark Zeldris: 2.06 Pt(6-A), 20.6 with Enchantments (High 6-A)

2nd Demon Mark Meliodas: 2.06 Pt(6-A), 20.6 with Enchantments (High 6-A)

50% Supreme Deity: At least 2.06Pt(6-A), 4.16 Pt Durability(6-A+). 20.6Pt Durability with Barriers (High 6-A)

Tyrant Killing= 82.4 Pt (High 6-A)

Other Characters who scale to this

2.06 Pt= King, Ban, Cath Palug, Wild (6-A)

4.12 PT= Escanor, 100% Deities (6-A+)

I'm really considering 2 keys for this movie. Zeldris goes from struggling with Dahila to keeping up with Meliodas who dominated Dahila, and is fighting against the Supreme Deity

Gonna test my Luck here

2nd Mark Meliodas: 2.06 Pt (6-A)

1st Mark Meliodas: 1.03 Pt (6-A)

Base Meliodas: 515 Tt (High 6-B)

Aren't we dropping this scaling?

As silly as it might sound I'm still on the 2 keys stuff for the movie, especially Zeldris.

He gets much better feats later on in the movie

Yeah, because he switches to a larger Demon Mark.

 

[Majinere566]

Aren't we dropping this scaling?

Not sure, I'm trying to see if making 2 keys for the movie would work. Thoughts?

 

[ByAsura]

Like I said, I think it's mostly due to getting a 2nd Mark that he has better feats.

 

[Majinere566]

He never had a Second Demon Mark?

Actually why do we even treat Zeldris' Demon Mark as the same amp for Meliodas'?

 

[ByAsura]

Did you watch the part of the movie where Zeldris goes from 1st Mark to 2nd Mark and stomps Dubs to exactly the same extent as Meliodas stomps Dahlia?

Because their Marks are identical and have similar statements.

 

[Majinere566]

Ok that makes sense.

What are the grounds for a chatting getting a new key?

 

[ByAsura]

I don't get the question, sorry.

 

[Majinere566]

Oh God sorry I'm typing while watching something.

*What are the grounds for a character getting a new key?

 

[ByAsura]

Quite loose, but you need very good evidence or unequivocal proof that they became much stronger.

Given that Mel and Zel were still portrayed as on par with them using 1st Mark, I wouldn't say there's enough.