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NNT AP Revision

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Do Tarmiel and Sariel have any real durability feats, or something putting their durability on par with their AP?

With the amount of times they've been harmed by weaker characters, I'm thinking of putting it as Unknown.
 
ByAsura said:
Do Tarmiel and Sariel have any real durability feats, or something putting their durability on par with their AP?

With the amount of times they've been harmed by weaker characters, I'm thinking of putting it as Unknown.
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eh tbh people with regen feats always have low durability.. after ban lost his regen , we never saw him get badly injured again tbh. they did heal from induras but thats more regen
 
Seeing as how Tarmiel 99% of the time he relies on his intangibility I could see him at Unknown for his durability

Sariel case might be different tho, he's Tanked A fraudrin slap and used his Wind Grace to defend against Derieri before using getting pierced with her bone so what about

"At least High 6-C, Low 6-B with Tornado"
 
Majinere566 said:
Seeing as how Tarmiel 99% of the time he relies on his intangibility I could see him at Unknown for his durability

Sariel case might be different tho, he's Tanked A fraudrin slap and used his Wind Grace to defend against Derieri before using getting pierced with her bone so what about

"At least High 6-C, Low 6-B with Tornado"
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What about this
 
Since we talked about this months ago, I might as well bring it back.

Arthur wasn't even stated to have grown stronger during the 1 month timeskip, and the ease with which he killed the Gray Demon is massively exaggerated (especially since it relied on distraction). It's honestly not even that far above Gilthunder, Howzer and Hendrickson, whom Arthur is physically superior to anyway.

Basically, I think it should just be the same as his BoS key.
 
ByAsura said:
Since we talked about this months ago, I might as well bring it back.

Arthur wasn't even stated to have grown stronger during the 1 month timeskip, and the ease with which he killed the Gray Demon is massively exaggerated (especially since it relied on distraction). It's honestly not even that far above Gilthunder, Howzer and Hendrickson, whom Arthur is physically superior to anyway.

Basically, I think it should just be the same as his BoS key.
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Agreed

But once again could you tell me where does Demon Hendrikson scale ?
Is it Red + Grey Demons AP combined?
 
Hendy (without weaponry) + Red + Gray.

So basically, it's base Meliodas + Gray.
 
ByAsura said:
Something like that.
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Okay so currently, Arthur has a BoS Key, Post Training Key, and a Excalibur Key.

But with what you've posted is that the difference between Arthur's BoS Key and Post Training Key is negligible enough to warrant a merging of the keys.

As for his Excalibur Key this was my last post regarding it
His Post Training Key and With Excalibur Key could just be merged since there are no differences between the Arthur from back then and the Arthur at that time, the only thing different is he's wielding Excalibur.

Just treat it the same way as Meliodas with Lostvayne
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AP/SS/Dura: X Level (All Feats without Excalibur), Y Level with Excalibur (Insert Feats when wielding Excalibur)

Speed: X Speed (All Feats without Excalibur ), Y Speed with Excalibur (Insert Speed Feats when wielding Excalibur)

Lifting Strength: X Class, likely higher with Excalibur
 
ByAsura said:
Since we talked about this months ago, I might as well bring it back.

Arthur wasn't even stated to have grown stronger during the 1 month timeskip, and the ease with which he killed the Gray Demon is massively exaggerated (especially since it relied on distraction). It's honestly not even that far above Gilthunder, Howzer and Hendrickson, whom Arthur is physically superior to anyway.

Basically, I think it should just be the same as his BoS key.
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This is agreeable, since Arthur states he would've been toast without Nanashi.
 
I thought I was going away on tuesday, but it turns out it's today. Sorry, I'll be out until thursday.
 
Merlin and elaine have higher physical power level than hawk (70, 50 and 25 respectively), they should be 9B

Does mael retain full counter? Or did he lose it

What is estarossa/maels tier with no demon mark or angel powers? Large island level scaling above unsealed base meliodas?
 
Sus said:
Merlin and elaine have higher physical power level than hawk (70, 50 and 25 respectively), they should be 9B

Does mael retain full counter? Or did he lose it

What is estarossa/maels tier with no demon mark or angel powers? Large island level scaling above unsealed base meliodas?
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Full Counter Is a magic spell i think he still has it since he’s got his memories from when he was Estarossa and learned the spell
 
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Makai641001 said:
Full Counter Is a magic spell i think he still has it since he’s got his memories from when he was Estarossa and learned the spell
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Yeah he should be able to use it

Speaking of mael, the sandbox says his grafe was disabled by night, but the scans show him usig sunshine
 
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Yeah he should be able to use it

Speaking of mael, the sandbox says his grafe was disabled by night, but the scans show him usig sunshine
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If you talk about the moment He pierced Chandler’s night He probably was in the sky and pierced the spell or something Like this
 
I'm back.
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Yeah he should be able to use it

Speaking of mael, the sandbox says his grafe was disabled by night, but the scans show him usig sunshine
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He should still be at his weakest.
 
I just got back from the work trip, so all I need to do is finish the rest of the mostly completed sandbox.
 
You know i was just reading pre demon king meliodas' awakening and noticed somethings.

  1. 1st Mark Zeldris fighting and holding his own against Spirit spear forms although king is weaker due to the distance but by an unknown degree
  2. .I don't know where this can go but Astral body ludociel calling both Zeldris (who is in 1st mark) and Original Demon monsters. Dunno if we can use this to imply that they're all roughly at the same level?
  3. Also Zeldris holding his own against this form of chasteifol, the same version that gave the Original Demon a bit of a problem
I don't know if this is grounds to get 1st Mark Zeldris at 82 teratons
 
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I think we already agreed that it was just very random inconsistency in the shape of his demon mark, which just randomly changes. He's also more consistently portrayed as on par with Vessel Ludoshel, and inferior to Cusack/Chandler than at this level.
Majinere566 said:
1st Mark Zeldris fighting and holding his own against Spirit spear forms although king is weaker due to the distance but by an unknown degree
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I'll grant you that it's on par with or above OG Demon, but we know King was weakened a lot because he was out of magic completely by attacking DK Meliodas, and he was almost at his limit just by manifesting a pollen garden that could stop a weakened Zeldris.
Majinere566 said:
.I don't know where this can go but Astral body ludociel calling both Zeldris (who is in 1st mark) and Original Demon monsters. Dunno if we can use this to imply that they're all roughly at the same level?
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That implies OG Demon is on the same level as Ludoshel, which just isn't true.

Characters can be placed under a similar banner without being comparable. For example, Assault Mode Meliodas was consistently placed alongside Chandler, Cusack, Zeldris and Estarossa as supreme-ranked/high-order Demons despite being vastly more powerful than them.
 
So what will be Lotl again ?
Chaos scale but does Arthur scale ?
If He does Meli should scale too in 4kota.
 
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