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Niko vs. Frisk

Buttersamuri said:
Niko doesn't seem like they would open with erasing. Just a thing they would resort to faster than Frisk could pacify them.
Why would they listen? Cause no doubt frisk is skilled in pacifying. They pacifyed the monsters who wanted Frisks soul to save their kind. Yet Frisk stopped them from trying to take their soul. It's not unreal frisk could pacify niko. I just don't see it happening fast enough before EE
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No, Frisk is nothing special at "pacifying". The only monsters that really want to kill them are impossible to spare, see Undyne.

Even Asgore, someone that loaths his actions, can't just be talked down and only gives up once you have him a breath away from death. But again, Undyne will no give up, same with Mad Dummy, the married dogs will only leave you be when they think you are not a human, and Omega Flowey was not sparable either until he lost any advantage he had.

Monsters are by nature non-aggressive and petting or laughing at a joke they make is enough to satisfy them. That is not a testament to Frisk's skill, it just shows the nature of monsters.
 
Well maybe, but it's still a Vs. So we need to vote for the one who win.
 
Ah? So why the fights on Saitama's profile while he as Speed Equalized was accepted? I thought we had the right to vote, because there was a debate at the beginning.
 
If he is stomping or is getting stomped, then it should not be on his profile.

If there are people that disagree with it being a stomp, that's another deal altogether, but here there is no-one actually giving reasons ffor why Frisk would not just die before they get to say even a single word.
 
I don't know enough about Niko to say for sure, but wouldn't Niko in-character likely at least give Frisk a chance to talk? Niko would still, of course, be willing to kill them. But Niko doesn't seem like they would be opposed to hearing out Frisk first.

Also, if we assume that Frisk would actually attempt to attack, then Niko not having any resistance to Soul Manipulation means that theoretically Frisk should be able to kill.

Frankly, it doesn't seem like a stomp. I personally think it's a pretty decisive win for Niko, but Frisk certainly has win-cons.
 
No, Niko wants to kill Frisk to win the battle. They are not there to chat, and this is like saying that soldiers do aren't heartless so they'll start talking and listening to others in the battlefield.

Frisk does not have soul manipulation. The whole reason they can defeat monsters magnitudes stronger is hát monster's bodies are weak to emotions.

And what can Frisk say to make Niko stop fighting? You think any vsbattle will just stop when one of the fighters says "let's not fight"?
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
No, Niko wants to kill Frisk to win the battle. They are not there to chat, and this is like saying that soldiers do aren't heartless so they'll start talking and listening to others in the battlefield.

Frisk does not have soul manipulation. The whole reason they can defeat monsters magnitudes stronger is hát monster's bodies are weak to emotions.

And what can Frisk say to make Niko stop fighting? You think any vsbattle will just stop when one of the fighters says "let's not fight"?
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No. It's Niko is Willing to kill Frisk. Not Niko Wants to kill frisk. Huge difference. Much like Frisk would be willing to kill Niko. But not wanting to. Which in character, frisk would open with pacifying attempt. It's not like Niko opens with erasing. And Niko in character could be talked down from fighting. Niko is a friendly kid. Talking him down is plausible for Frisk.
 
You seem to not understand what a vsdeabte is about. Niko doesn't want to kill, but wants to win, and morals that keep Niko from using abilities that would kill are off.

There is no amount of words that stop the fact that this is a fight that lasts until one of the character dies, is incapacitated for 24 hours or is rendered unconscious for 1 hour. It's a fight, and saying "let's not fight" and staring intently at someone will not be enough to stop them.

And that's all that Frisk can do to "pacify" others, and every time they were faced with anyone that wants to actually win a fight regardless of Frisk dying or living they were unable to pacify them through words or any action beyond rendering them unable to fight.
 
Seriously you guys, by this logic any non-blood thirsty fighters would just not fight in a vsbattle. It's been made clear that Social Influencing has to be on a dumb level like characters that tell you "u mom e gae" and give you so bad a depression that you kill yourself.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
You seem to not understand what a vsdeabte is about. Niko doesn't want to kill, but wants to win, and morals that keep Niko from using abilities that would kill are off.

There is no amount of words that stop the fact that this is a fight that lasts until one of the character dies, is incapacitated for 24 hours or is rendered unconscious for 1 hour. It's a fight, and saying "let's not fight" and staring intently at someone will not be enough to stop them.

And that's all that Frisk can do to "pacify" others, and every time they were faced with anyone that wants to actually win a fight regardless of Frisk dying or living they were unable to pacify them through words or any action beyond rendering them unable to fight.
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No. It's you who is failing to understand.

Niko is still in character. And in character, Niko could be reasoned with. As well. In character. Niko wouldn't open with that. Your acting as if Niko was bloodlusted. Which is flat out wrong. Niko flay out does not open with that. The rule is. Niko is Only Willing. But still in character. In character, he wouldn't open with that.

Stopping the fight with words or SI skills ends the fight. Which frisk can do. Like frisk did with the royal guards. They wanted to win the fight. But frisk managed to change that. The twin dogs wanted to win their fight. But frisk changed that.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Seriously you guys, by this logic any non-blood thirsty fighters would just not fight in a vsbattle. It's been made clear that Social Influencing has to be on a dumb level like characters that tell you "u mom e gae" and give you so bad a depression that you kill yourself.
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No. This is also flat out wrong. Willing to kill means willing to fight. But you are failing to understand the word willing. Not Wanna. Just willing. SI can easily manipulate people. It just depends on who it is, level of skill, and charm. Barney Stinson has an undeniable high SI skill on women. Most women he can manipulate SI. And could easily end a fight with it.
 
Buttersamuri said:
Stopping the fight with words or SI skills ends the fight. Which frisk can do. Like frisk did with the royal guards. They wanted to win the fight. But frisk managed to change that. The twin dogs wanted to win their fight. But frisk changed that.
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That is not how vsbattles work, no. In-character, but their aim is to win regardless. Seriously, there were plenty times this was discussed and mods have agreed that you can't just say a character loses because they wouldn't fight in-character, just go ask Saikou, or make a questions board.

In a vsbattle, a fight cannot end with the two parties just agreeing not to fight unless mind manipulation is involved, regardless of bloodlust. Which is why Frisk would absolutely kill their enemy once given the chance even in their full DT key despite that being only in pacifist. A character is willing to taunt, torture and even talk with enemies, but a character cannot not fight the enemy due to their morals, that's the basis for every versus battle.

The royal guards can only be spared once they become too distracted with their love to care about Frisk. The twin dogs..? I have no idea which ones are twins so I'll just go over every dog in game:

Doggo doesn't even know you are human and fights because you move, and is only spared once you fail to move and pet him, making him think that he was pet by something that wasn't moving.

Lesser Dog is not into fighting at all, being eager for pets and being immensely easy to spare from the beginning.

Dogamy and Dogressa only spare you once they think you are a dirty dog, and don't even let you pet them before that.

Greater Dog's attacks almost all involve it playing with you, and it's not after killing Frisk at all.
 
Buttersamuri said:
No. This is also flat out wrong. Willing to kill means willing to fight. But you are failing to understand the word willing. Not Wanna. Just willing. SI can easily manipulate people. It just depends on who it is, level of skill, and charm. Barney Stinson has an undeniable high SI skill on women. Most women he can manipulate SI. And could easily end a fight with it.
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No. Willing to kill is a thing to explain that the character will not hold back because they don't want to kill enemies. Batman will punch you hard enough to break your neck without walking on eggshells if given a shells.

Social influencing can manipulate people under some circumstances, but Frisk's social influencing is worth not much at all, since all they do is try to play along with the antics of others, talk to them (and failing to fing words a lot of times, like with Toriel and Asgore) or stare at them, none of which is going to work against an enemy that doesn't have quirks as exploitable as UT monsters.
 
It's in the SBA dudes...

Furthermore characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.

Frisk has neither psychological tricks, mind and empathic manip, nor superhuman charisma. Superhuman charisma is meant for characters like Hajime, whose presence makes people suicidal to help him, and psychological tricks are supposed to be like... also Hajime (there was another dude who just talks people into killing themselves but I don't remember the names of) who can just have a few words exchange and make people willing to do anything.
 
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Not sure, but what you write isn't more legible without it, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't just make random words capital mid sentences.
 
Yes that make every words means Trigger Translate same here that Capital Sentences nowhere while typing.

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