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Nemurin Vs Kumagawa
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damn, this could be a good match. How does her conceptual manipulation work?
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Uhm. This feels like a lame matchup. Both can 1 shot with Existence Erasure and to top it all of it's Speed Equalized. Unless da loli needs time to activate her stuff.
Actually Kumagawa is at a disadvantage here, the OP says the girly becomes part of his harem if he wins, which means he can't just All Fiction her, unless he blitzes with Bookmaker. Also you forgot to say that if she loses she'll go around in hand-bra jeans for the rest of her life as Kumagawa's slave. Btw is this in character?
Actually Kumagawa is at a disadvantage here, the OP says the girly becomes part of his harem if he wins, which means he can't just All Fiction her, unless he blitzes with Bookmaker. Also you forgot to say that if she loses she'll go around in hand-bra jeans for the rest of her life as Kumagawa's slave. Btw is this in character?
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Ready to kill can also mean SBA. Is this Bloodlusted or in character but willing to kill?DodoNova2 said:
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Then idk, is it in character for Namurin to just erase right off the bat?DodoNova2 said:
GoldenScorpions
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Nemuri vs Misogi Kumagawa (adding links for easy access)
Nemurin is pretty easy-going normally, so she wouldn't erase anything right off the bat. Though she would manipulate things like morality and memory if she's annoyed.
Nemurin is pretty easy-going normally, so she wouldn't erase anything right off the bat. Though she would manipulate things like morality and memory if she's annoyed.
GoldenScorpions
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We don't know much about Nemurin's concept manip sadly, as we don't see much of her. Her power is described to control absolutely everything in the Dream World, so it's anyone's guess how much it includes, concept-wise.
What we do know is that she can, for example: create and manipulate completely new powers out of thin air, freely control the characteristics and actions of those within the Dream World, change personalities, and even alter how their very constitution works, to the point of them stopping being human
What we do know is that she can, for example: create and manipulate completely new powers out of thin air, freely control the characteristics and actions of those within the Dream World, change personalities, and even alter how their very constitution works, to the point of them stopping being human
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If the Dream World was somehow destroyed, Nemurin would probably die along with it because she's already dead in the real world. However, can you consider a dream being reality? His profiles says that All Fiction denies aspects of reality, but the Dream World is literally just a gigantic universe-sized web of all of hummanity's dreams, so I don't know if it can be considered "reality".
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I assume the Dream World exists, but more like in the same way we know dreams exist. But nothing of what happens in dreams is real, so that would make any event inside the Dream World not real, since it's a fusion of dreams... See what I mean? Dreams exist but aren't "real" per se. So I'd say the same applies to the Dream World
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Dream Manipulation: Nemurin's magic is to enter and act freely in a realm known only as the Dream World, acting as its own universe. Within it, all of humanity's dreams are connected to each other, and Nemurin is able to freely enter and move around them. It is possible for Nemurin to reflect whatever happens to a person in the Dream World to reality. For example, wounds created to a person in the Dream World also causes the same effect in the Real World.
This part contradict what you say I think.
This part contradict what you say I think.
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@GoldenScorpions That kinda sounds like flawed logic. Dreams seem to function on a similar level to memories, and Kumagawa has erased memeories before so I'd think All Fiction would work here too. The issue here is Kumagawa has never permanatly erased someone In-Character before. All Fiction works automaticly only on death, and has never been shown to work on Existance Erasure. All Fiction, the power itself, can resist being erased, but not Kumagawa. The real issue I'm seeing here for Kumagawa is Nemurin's Memory and Morality Manipulation. If Nemurin can change Kumagawa's memories so he forgets about his abilities, or changes Kumagawa's willingness to even finish the fight, I can see that being basically an Incap win Nemurin.
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The Memory/Morality Manipulation on Nemurin's part is likely to happen if she feels threatened, that's for sure.
About dreams, not sure what you imply here. I once had a dream of my grandpa chasing after a bouncing rubber ball all across his house with a fishing net. Nothing in that dream is connected to memories I had; I'd never seen him with either a rubber ball or a fishing net, but he had them in my dream. Granted, I'm not a dream specialist, but I don't see how dreams and memories are necessarily connected
About dreams, not sure what you imply here. I once had a dream of my grandpa chasing after a bouncing rubber ball all across his house with a fishing net. Nothing in that dream is connected to memories I had; I'd never seen him with either a rubber ball or a fishing net, but he had them in my dream. Granted, I'm not a dream specialist, but I don't see how dreams and memories are necessarily connected
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The pain transmission seems like Conceptual Manipulation + Reality Warping to me. The wounds on your irl-body would exist, but your dream-body wouldn't feel pain, since the concept of pain in dreams isn't a thing (unless I'm missing something). Besides, Nemurin likely won't inflict pain on Kumagawa; she's a very docile and kind person, so her willingly inflicting pain would be out-of-character
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It's not mentioned on his profile, but Kumagawa oozes threating vibes. It's so strong that one character used that to fight him blind. Managed to almost win the fight just by feeling where Kumagawa's threating presense was coming from.
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Kumagawa erases the Dream World, then gets her, I guess?
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Wat? When was it stated that 4D > Kumagawa? Bookmaker has sealed Ajimu and Hanten. And erasing multiple universes All Fiction style (erasing completely any trace of it, not only physical destruction) is treated is a 4D feat.A6colute said:
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Wat? When was it stated that 4D > Kumagawa?
When Ajimu explained how Iihiko powers work.
And erasing multiple universes All Fiction style (erasing completely any trace of it, not only physical destruction) is treated is a 4D feat.
When Kumagawa erased multiple universes?
When Ajimu explained how Iihiko powers work.
And erasing multiple universes All Fiction style (erasing completely any trace of it, not only physical destruction) is treated is a 4D feat.
When Kumagawa erased multiple universes?
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World IS multiple universes (at least) in this case. Medaka Box has at least a couple (at least 3) universes that have been shown, and world here SURELY doesn't mean planet, All Fiction has shown to be WAY beyond planetary. World=All of existence btw.DodoNova2 said:
ApiesDeathbyLazors
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At most Medaka Box has two realities. The Real World and the Dream Room. And the Dream room is more like a pocket demention. Also Kumagawa has never used any of his abilities in the dream room. Though that may just be because he was never driven to it.Firephoenixearl said:
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Uhm...u sure there are only 2 realities? Are you positive (create a universe skill)? I mean is that truly ur final answer?ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
Also as for abilities in the dream world, why would he use them? 1. His only opponent there is mofoking Ajimu, all fiction is useless on her and 2. Ajimu is not an enemy to him (not by the end at least), she's mostly his "goal". But ajimu used skills in the dream world and she uses minuses and abnormalities so i don't see why all fiction won't work there.
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Eh what? What is that again? Also "create this and that" u do know all Kumagawa has to do to win is think right?A6colute said:
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Is her reality warping instantaneous?
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Now this is fine and dandy and all, but why should her ability be faster then Kumas?DMB 1 said:
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