Nasuverse Discussion Board 20

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yeah, I mean there isn't really much to her, at least not more than her normal form. I am probably just gonna do it now lol.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Looks that way. Though the only things we DK about is her Clairvoyance (Darkness) and her TC Passive skill. Everything else, you can base it off her in-game profile so you can maybe write down "(insert either named skills above) effects are currently unknown" and then just add in the info of what they do when her mats from VI are later TL'd.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yeah. Should I give her wall level AP btw? or should i give her the ratings of a standard combat applicable servant?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I think I'll do at least wall level, likely (standard combat applicable servant BS) for her AP

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Sounds about right for physical AP as she's a Servant here, and 7-whatever for her Mystic Eyes.

Think that's the best you can do for her in terms of stats/tier.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Question. What is our current policy on Anti-World Noble Phantasms?

 

[Paul_Frank]

planet level

If someone started this cosmology blog we could get like universe level for them

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@Iap: IDEK considering the history of the crazy discussions it carries, though then again that just applies to Gil's Ea.

Dk of other Anti Worlds like Okitans or Solomon's temple. I had a document I wanted to write just to let me known what even Anti-World means and what it actually pertains to. Granted that's of my own thoughts in it and not what others think as it's more of, again, what it really affects or if the nature of it.

 

[Escanor998]

All of them are hax, so they shouldn't be in that tier (other than CCC obviously)

but seriously speaking, Ea's raw power was stated to be only slightly superior to Excalibur and all it's other feats are hax, so why is it 5-B?

 

[Paul_Frank]

Because not all of them are hax

 

[Escanor998]

Actually, yes, it's because of it's nature that it can destroy the layers of the world and multiple times it was stated that it's AP is only slightly superior to Excalibur and in one statement, it's maximum output was described as being 40 times stronger than Excalibur (it was something like if A+++ NPs (that should be at least two times as powerful as a normal Excaliblast) has a value of 200, the Ea has 4000 damage)

 

[Paul_Frank]

Let's not fill the general discussion thread with this debate

We should just wait for the cosmology blog wherever that is

 

[Escanor998]

Read the Tiamat's revisions thread and you will know that all those "feats" were already completely debunked

 

[Paul_Frank]

I was there and they weren't really debunked

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I am just gonna go ahead and rate Fujino's NP at unknown

 

[Escanor998]

In my opinion, the only 5-whatever Nps should be CCC, saraswati Meltout (while in the Moon Cell) and AAS after gathering energy from humanity

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@Iap: saw your draft. You got the 9-B right but I'm not so sure of adding 7-B after. FAIK, she fights her battles using her Mystic Eyes of Distortion and even I'm told by Ever that that should be Unknown as it's more hax rather than AP. So physically I think just leaving it for 9-B should be safer to go around with.

Everything else looks fine enough, though I may help to clean it uo whenever it's posted sometime today.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I was gonna say we should make a profile for kurogiri and scale him off Prelati

Then I saw she doesn't have one either oof

 

[Paul_Frank]

@qliphoth

She can take blows from servants though so her durability should be around there at least

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Does anyone know where I can find a full body render of her in her first ascension? the only full body one has text over it

 

[Paul_Frank]

Does this work

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Its not a render, so no

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I haven't found any, though I suspect that may come around with her mats as I've seen them done before that way.

@Paul: Durability I guess is fine, just not so much as AP.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I made the profile. We can use another render when we find a better one

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Archer_(Fujino_Asagami)

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I'm really not sitting well with her having that 7-B in AP. Durability at City level is fine, not with having a possibly after considering she's never seen even physically hitting or dueling someone upclose like EMIYA.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I mean, it doesn't make much of a difference. I would compare her more to someone like Assassin Shiki personally. Even servants who do not primarilly attack physically still have such stats often

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

But even Shiki as an Assassin at least fights physically in battle, given she's helped fought Hyde, Mephy, and even Lalter with Mash's help. Fujino doesn't and she really only uses her Eye to fight, which is why I'm having an issue with her having Tier 7 AP like that.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

You can remove it if others agree with you, cuz I honestly don't care that much. I put the possibly cuz it felt worth mentioning, but she is an almost entirely hax based fighter and seems like a Caster in the Archer class.

By the way, do you know any good matches for her? I guess we could do Assassin Shiki vs Archer Fujino just to see how things changed lol

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

That's the impression I have for her, yeah.

Eh...whoever can somewhat resist getting spatial warped should be good? Her eyes can screw up just about anyone and being as a Servant might help with that too I presume. That one is a good rematch though kek.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Pretty sure Shiki vs Archer Fujino turns out just like it did on the bridge but Shiki doesn't lose an arm since she already knows what to look for

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@QP Or someone who also has quick draw hax. Maybe Rohan could be a good go as well

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Pretty sure Shiki vs Archer Fujino turns out just like it did on the bridge but Shiki doesn't lose an arm since she already knows what to look for

Well, don't forget that Archer has her Claivoyance now. She won't be holding back either, so she may just spiral the whole enviroment the second she sees Shiki coming

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Or Diavolo or Kira maybe? I just thought of how it would look if Diavolo saw what would happen if he gets contorted inside out and then time erases it.

Kira if he had Stray Cat MAYBE? But then it might be countered by Fujino just warping it if she knows what's up which I think she should able to.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Kira could work but Diavolo doesn't have the means to actually kill her

 

[Paul_Frank]

Use Souren, they both use spatial manip ovo

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I has made Fujino vs Rohan

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2969170

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I can't quite put my finger on it, but I feel like Ritsuka Fujimaru is missing a lot.

 

[Solacis]

In terms of abilities or...?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

In terms of abilities, yes.

 

[John985]

There's this thread for example.