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Nasuverse Discussion Board 18

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Gil would also have stuff that are made by gods if it's a NP. He has 2 separate clauses, not just one. One makes him possesses everything that human creates, has created, and will create (Collector EX). And the other being the original hero that he is, all legends belongs to him. Therefore he'd have the original/prototype of every NP in his vault even if it's paradoxical (King of Heroes).
 
Lady Ashford said:
Gil would also have stuff that are made by gods if it's a NP. He has 2 separate clauses, not just one. One makes him possesses everything that human creates, has created, and will create (Collector EX). And the other being the original hero that he is, all legends belongs to him. Therefore he'd have the original/prototype of every NP in his vault even if it's paradoxical (King of Heroes).
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At least Gil does not have Vasavi shakti, Wisnu Bujha, Chakra, Trishula, Pashupata and many other astras, Indrajit has every Astras that even Vishnu does not have Trishula or Shiva that does not have Chakra
 
actually if Indrajit is the LB 4 Berserker they have to nerf him to a fodder, you know that Vasavi Shakti is broken, and This Guy posses many astras that stronger than vasavi shakti,

IMO LB4 Berserker is Parashurama the sixth avtar of Vishnu and Mentor to karna, but he also broken as hell
 
And it wouldn't even matter because he can use an equivalent of it due to the potential/wisdom of mankind clause of Collector EX. Basically what he doesn't has from Collector EX, he will possess it through King of Heroes. Whatever he doesn't has from King of Heroes, he will possess it through Collector EX.

He can functionally exhibit the effect of any artefacts/NP even if he doesn't quite have all of them. You could even say that Gil can basically use every NP because of those 2 clauses. Trying to pass someone off as some sort of special existence due to what they possess won't really work quite well with Gilgamesh, because he practically have everything in one way or another
 
@Regis

Then you're not familiar with Indrajit deeper.

In Sri Lanka, Indrajit is looked as heroes, and his stories (Sri Lanka) make him like a tragic hero.
 
What Indian hero can blow up the universe? If your reasoning is that irl lore says so, Imma direct your attention to Karna, Arjuna and Rama. Their abilities as Servants aren't even on the radar of their irl myth selves.
 
Collector: A "talent" in collecting high-quality goods, a sort of supernatural luck that draws rare items into Gilgamesh's hands. Gilgamesh is one who has collected all the Earth's treasures, grasping the very essence of human ingenuity itself.

You know that is Trishula made with a core of a star
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
@Regis

Then you're not familiar with Indrajit deeper.

In Sri Lanka, Indrajit is looked as heroes, and his stories (Sri Lanka) make him like a tragic hero.
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I'm Indian and the Ramayana is an Indian epic, so it's natural that calling Indrajit a great Indian hero is dumb.
 
Indrajit is A hero in his people POV, he is not a bad man, Only his dad who is bad, just like karna he is in the wrong side
 
well there is many different version of Ramayana and Mahabharata so i dont know which version you read
 
GLHF22 said:
well there is many different version of Ramayana and Mahabharata so i dont know which version you read
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The original one Valmiki made himself in India, where he put up Lankans as demonic adversaries of Rama? In that light, Indrajit isn't exactly a hero.
 
I like how Goddess Rhongonyniad doesn't have any silly tricks. No reversed class affinity, no 80% damage reduction, no instantly charging NPs... just a plain pure fight.

That being said, she's going to be a pain in the ass to kill considering she's got 580K health to just tank all my party's attacks until her NP is charged, then unleashes an invincibility ignoring nuke on my entire party.
 
Aight.

Do you think Archer of Shinjuku vs Saber Diarmuid would be a good match? Both have the fate manip, so perhaps it would cancel out
 
One guarantees his victory, and the other let's him escape the fates that are negative to him. Seems like they would cancel eachother out
 
It's like the Fate Prototype thing a while back.

Proto Gilgamesh has an NP that is to 'absolutely survive', while Proto Herakles has an NP that is to 'must be victorious in 11 battles'.

The former has a feat too, in that he got noped by Proto Excaliblast along with his flood, and he still went back to fight Proto Herk in what would become EMIYA's iconic offscreen Herk battle.
 
How do each of their respective NP work?

If Proto Arthur can ignore fate manip, it sounds like that should be on his profile. Did he die to the sword or did he just get defeated?
 
It's not elaborated upon since Prototype was never completed, so what was above mentioned is about as good as we can get.

  • Proto Gilgamesh has an NP to absolutely survive.
  • Proto Herk has the prototype to God Hand that makes it so he has to win 11 battles.
  • Proto Arthur is neither here nor there, as the Excaliblast that vaped the Surge of Utnapishtim didn't kill Proto Gil.
That said, the wiki states that Proto Herk won his fight with Proto Gil, but still died. The win condition was not given.
 
We have no idea what's the definition of win here, we don't see the results or even how the win comes about. Basically, we know the basics of it but no actual details with which to speculate much.
 
Gemmysaur said:
It's not elaborated upon since Prototype was never completed, so what was above mentioned is about as good as we can get.
  • Proto Gilgamesh has an NP to absolutely survive.
  • Proto Herk has the prototype to God Hand that makes it so he has to win 11 battles.
  • Proto Arthur is neither here nor there, as the Excaliblast that vaped the Surge of Utnapishtim didn't kill Proto Gil.
That said, the wiki states that Proto Herk won his fight with Proto Gil, but still died. The win condition was not given.
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It was never completed?

Seems like they may have been cool had it been completed, but they do seem pretty beavy handed
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
It was never completed?

Seems like they may have been cool had it been completed, but they do seem pretty beavy handed
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Prototype Fragments, the prequel is done, iirc, but Prototype has yet to be released.

That said, Nasu mentions that he's stepping down as creative director of Grand Order, so he may have enough time on his hands to work on other projects like this, and maybe, just maybe, Tsukihime.
 
Black Keys against vampires probably so up to Low High I'd think. But it depends on the mechanics of the Regenerationn because Black Keys regen meg isn't just "cursed wound won't heal" like gae bolg or bhuide
 
"they are able to call forth the original laws of nature vampires were subject to as humans, thus preventing them from healing the wounds made with this weapon"

So basically if you use to be a human they give you back the regen of a normal human.
 
Goddamnit. Nearly 70 Quartz spent and I got literally everything but MHXA. I want my cute sith loli damnit!
 
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