Nasuverse CRT: For the Upper Tiers.

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

BOOM. FGO anniversary dropped. We are gonna party here with an upgrade thread.

This is a revision intended to upgrade the universe from its current tier. It shouldn't take too long since it's pretty straightforward (hopefully). Ultima and Migue already saw through it and accepted it.

HIGH 1-B UNIVERSE​

It's been common knowledge or rather, a common misconception that Nasuverse doesn't have statements or feats that implies infinite amounts of higher dimensions aka High 1-B. But that doesn't seem to be the case anymore as there are actually multiple statements that implies otherwise. In Tsukihime (Ciel's Route} Remake, Michael Roa, who's currently low 1-C, possibly 1-C lamented on the fact that no matter how much someone becomes transcendent, there would always be a higher level, implying that there are 'beings' who are unreachable by just transcending dimensions no matter what. Obviously, this is in regards to higher dimensional transcendence because just after Roa made this rant, he used an example of a woman named Kiara Sessyoin who was noted to be "omnipotent", and possessed higher dimensional senses in a dimension, was still bound to matter and bound to the universe, indicating that the Universe itself is/contains a High 1-B structure.
Credits to:

Marshadow29, 1Nairove, Theoretical, and Maxeez​

Tally
Agree: ActuallySpaceMan42, Tdjwo, BestMGQScalerEver, Migue79, ShadowWhoWalks, Boastjr, Robo432343, Ultima_Reality(high 1B hierarchy not universe), Reiner, Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, MrUnderlord, 1Nairove, Vuetthai96

Disagree: Georredannea15, Tarang(1B)

Neutral: Akashachann(leaning towards agreeing)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Finally a reasonable Fate CRT.

 

[Akashachann]

Following, also I'm currently neutral but leaning towards to agree

 

[Tdjwo]

Seems very straightforward. 100% agree.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Although I have some qualms about it applying to the universe the high 1-B hierarchy is still there. I believe you should've discussed this if other nasuverse supporters even wanted you guys to post this CRT yet.

 

[Tdjwo]

Although I have some qualms about it applying to the universe the high 1-B hierarchy is still there. Although I believe you should've discussed this if other nasuverse supporters even wanted you guys to post this CRT yet.

Bro what?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Bro what?

You'll see. I'm not interested in arguing over it.

 

[Tdjwo]

You'll see. I'm not interested in arguing over it.

I'm not arguing. I just didn't understand anything you said.

 

[Georredannea15]

Uhhh... According to DT and Agnaa such statements are only taken with respect to the dimensions shown in the verse and it would be a NLF to say that this will continue "infinite" i.e. to infinite dimensions.

Also when I look at the scans all I see is that no matter how transcendent you are, there is always a higher level. This should only be taken as far as shown in the verse.

Quoting Agnaa's comment

tl;dr of the new standards seems to be that almost nothing makes the jump to 1-A without already establishing a High 1-B construct. The few things that could are very explicit that they generalise, like "no matter how many dimensions". Just being "beyond any dimensions", "source of dimensions", "concept of dimensions", etc. doesn't do more than a +1 over the existing cosmology.

In short this only scales to the higher dimensions shown in the verse, it is a NLF to say that this will go on infinity.

In short, according to this quotation, it only adds +1 dimension from the dimension shown in the verse.

Edit : As Agnaa points out, the phrase "now matter how many dimensions" and the phrase "no matter how many transcendt, there is always a higher level" have the same meaning and are only scaled according to the dimensions found in the verse. I just wanted to point that out.

 

[Tdjwo]

Uhhh... According to DT and Agnaa such statements are only taken with respect to the dimensions shown in the verse and it would be a NLF to say that this will continue "infinite" i.e. to infinite dimensions.

Also when I look at the scans all I see is that no matter how transcendent you are, there is always a higher level. This should only be taken as far as shown in the verse.

Quoting Agnaa's comment

In short this only scales to the higher dimensions shown in the verse, it is a NLF to say that this will go on infinity.

In short, according to this quotation, it only adds +1 dimension from the dimension shown in the verse.

Edit : As Agnaa points out, the phrase "now matter how many dimensions" and the phrase "no matter how many transcendt, there is always a higher level" have the same meaning and are only scaled according to the dimensions found in the verse. I just wanted to point that out.

This is what Ultima said;

The excerpt itself seems fine insofar as proving High 1-B goes, seeing as the examples of "transcendence" that are given in-context are flat-out about people ascending to higher dimensions, it seems

The context shows that no matter how transcendent an higher dimensional being becomes, there's always going to be an higher level. It used Kiara as an example who is an higher d being and showed that regardless of her being higher d, she was still bound to the universe. This is obviously a High 1B transcendence.

 

[Tdjwo]

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Edit : As Agnaa points out, the phrase "now matter how many dimensions" and the phrase "no matter how many transcendt, there is always a higher level" have the same meaning and are only scaled according to the dimensions found in the verse. I just wanted to point that out.

That becomes meaningless when the scan explicitly mentions that "there would always be an higher level" indicating that regardless the amount of times you become higher d, there would always be another higher d level.

 

[Georredannea15]

This is what Ultima said;


The context shows that no matter how transcendent an higher dimensional being becomes, there's always going to be an higher level. It used Kiara as an example who is an higher d being and showed that regardless of her being higher d, she was still bound to the universe. This is obviously a High 1B transcendence.

I know this comment of Ultima, my friend sent me the same one, but Ultima says at the end of that comment that this context does not exist. I think you should throw out the quote completely

 

[Georredannea15]

That becomes meaningless when the scan explicitly mentions that "there would always be an higher level" indicating that regardless the amount of times you become higher d, there would always be another higher d level.

This statement is exactly the same as Agnaa's statement above "no matter how many dimensions" and this only scales according to the dimensions shown to us in the verse, it does not scale to infinity because that would be an NLF.

 

[Tdjwo]

I know this comment of Ultima, my friend sent me the same one, but Ultima says at the end of that comment that this context does not exist. I think you should throw out the quote completely

That's the complete quote in regards to the High 1B universe. Idk why I should throw in random quotes that had nothing to do with the universe. All he stated was that the High 1B transcendence made sense based on the context but needed more evidence on Kiara's higher d status which I provided to him.

 

[Georredannea15]

That's the complete quote in regards to the High 1B universe. Idk why I should throw in random quotes that had nothing to do with the universe. All he stated was that the High 1B transcendence made sense based on the context but needed more evidence on Kiara's higher d status which I provided to him.

No... my friend quoted this entire statement to me and Ultima says at the very end that he doesn't think this context is sufficient. I will post it if I can find it.

 

[Tdjwo]

This statement is exactly the same as Agnaa's statement above "no matter how many dimensions" and this only scales according to the dimensions shown to us in the verse, it does not scale to infinity because that would be an NLF.

Once again, based on the context, it's showing an infinite hierarchy of higher d transcendence. Roa makes a statement that no matter how many times you become transcendent, there would always be an higher level. Immediately after, he used Kiara, an higher dimensional being as an example stating that she was still bound to the universe just for the mere fact that she was higher d implying that his statement is in regards to endless higher d levels in the universe. Idk how that constitutes as nlf when the scan explicitly claims an endless transcendence of higher d levels.

 

[Tarang123]

Personally it seems more like 1B with anyone above it being High 1B or higher. But then again it depends on the standards we have here.

In other words, I sort of agree with upgrading it, but I’ll stay neutral

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Stop arguing over what someone said on discord. They should come here instead.

 

[Tarang123]

Once again, based on the context, it's showing an infinite hierarchy of higher d transcendence. Roa makes a statement that no matter how many times you become transcendent, there would always be an higher level. Immediately after, he used Kiara, an higher dimensional being as an example syating that she was still bound to the universe just for the mere fact that she was higher d implying that his statement is in regards to endless higher d levels in the universe. Idk how that constitutes as nlf when the scan explicitly claims an endless transcendence of higher d levels.

I don’t think that’s enough tbh. I don’t think it’s, say, infinite, but rather like some countless amount into 1B

 

[SweetDao]

I share Tarang123's opinion.

 

[Tdjwo]

I don’t think that’s enough tbh. I don’t think it’s, say, infinite, but rather like some countless amount into 1B

Countless amounts into 1B makes no sense since you can't be "transcendent" into infinite levels of 1B. The context should be clear.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I don’t think that’s enough tbh. I don’t think it’s, say, infinite, but rather like some countless amount into 1B

Stuff like endless and without end is usually treated as synonymous with infinite.

 

[Tarang123]

Countless amounts into 1B makes no sense since you can't be "transcendent" into infinite levels of 1B. The context should be clear.

What? Countless amounts into 1B would just be an arbitrary amount into 1B, like an ever increasing amount into the tier. I think that’s the appropriate lowball over High 1B

 

[Akashachann]

I mean, I more or less share the same thoughts as Tarang asw. I agree with that there is a hierarchy, but ig it would be better if there was a little bit more context to be able to say "infinite".

 

[Tarang123]

Stuff like endless and without end is usually treated as synonymous with infinite.

I mean, does it really say it’s without end or endless? It just says that there will always be something higher

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I mean, does it really say it’s without end or endless? It just says that there will always be something higher

In original scan it says there is no end to human perception and no end to path to omnipotence talking about the transcendences.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Ya, this would be 1-B. The fact they said there is always a higher level is akin to saying it's countless since countless can be any finite amount.

 

[Tdjwo]

I mean, does it really say it’s without end or endless? It just says that there will always be something higher

If it says there would always be something higher, that means it's endless bro.

 

[Tarang123]

In original scan it says there is no end to human perception and no end to path to omnipotence talking about the transcendences.

Oh, then that’s probably a different case. If that’s the case, then yeah I’ll agree with High 1B

 

[Tdjwo]

People aren't even reading the scan lol

 

[Georredannea15]

Once again, based on the context, it's showing an infinite hierarchy of higher d transcendence. Roa makes a statement that no matter how many times you become transcendent, there would always be an higher level. Immediately after, he used Kiara, an higher dimensional being as an example stating that she was still bound to the universe just for the mere fact that she was higher d implying that his statement is in regards to endless higher d levels in the universe. Idk how that constitutes as nlf when the scan explicitly claims an endless transcendence of higher d levels.

That's not what I'm saying, what I'm trying to get across is that just like this statement is exactly almost exactly the same as the statement I quoted from Agnaa, and in this case it's only scaled to the higher dimensions shown in the verse. In this case you will have to wait for Agnaa and DT, but I should say that both statements are identical and will scale only to what is shown.

"No matter how many dimensions, there will be a higher level = no matter how much you transcend, there will be a higher level"

As I said, for 1-B or high 1-B you will need more here, otherwise it's only +1 dimension as I quoted.

But I'll wait until DT, Agnaa and Ultima arrive.

 

[Tarang123]

If it says there would always be something higher, that means it's endless bro.

No? Not inherently. You could have a cosmology that constantly grows in size which would also fit that description

 

[Tarang123]

People aren't even reading the scan lol

I’ve known about it for some time so I already had a good idea about what it said. I just missed that “no end” part which you didn’t even point out

 

[Akashachann]

In original scan it says there is no end to human perception and no end to path to omnipotence talking about the transcendences.

Well, after saying "there is no end to the path to omnipotence", Kiara is called omnipotent. So I'm sure the "no end" part refers more to the gap between Kiara and those in the lower dimension.

 

[Tdjwo]

I’ve known about it for some time so I already had a good idea about what it said. I just missed that “no end” part which you didn’t even point out

Because I assumed you read the scan and understood it which most of you don't seem to have done. So do you still think it's infinite levels into 1B(ehhwwwk) or High 1B?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Well, after saying "there is no end to the path to omnipotence", Kiara is called omnipotent. So I'm sure the "no end" part refers more to the gap between Kiara and those in the lower dimension.

It says she's omnipotent in one dimension implying that higher "omnipotence" also applies in the higher dimensions still making it endless path of omnipotence.

 

[Tdjwo]

It says she's omnipotent in one dimension implying that higher "omnipotence" also applies in the higher dimensions still making it endless path of omnipotence.

You know it's finished when you of all people is explaining basic stuffs to the opposition

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Didn't want the CRT to get posted yet lol. But agree.

I am fine with 1-B, Possibly High 1-B cosmology as well.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I mean either of them could work, I just feel like 1-B (Countless) is the safer option and more likely to get accepted by staff. Countless is any finite number, and there is no end to how many finite numbers there are. You can always add an extra 1, or 2. But they are still finite.

 

[Akashachann]

It says she's omnipotent in one dimension implying that "omnipotence" also applies in the higher dimensions still making it endless path of omnipotence.

That's your interpretation. I still think more context is needed to say this is straightforward H1-B.