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big W. the worst in the big 3 wins lolcounted, and now grace period startsnaruto wining against dbs goku, people got what they wanted
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big W. the worst in the big 3 wins lolcounted, and now grace period startsnaruto wining against dbs goku, people got what they wanted
countedVoting Naruto as well
crazy stuff right?Universal Naruto from the Storm games? Not sure if I truly believe that.
for goku is and edge in skill and a way for an insta win with the kaioken multiplierWell, what are wincons for both now?
big W. the worst in the big 3 wins lol
thats going into NLF territoryboth of them are similar tho
nlf has literraly nothing to do with thisthats going into NLF territory
ye it does coz goku has never shown to sense and teleport with chakranlf has literraly nothing to do with this
verse equalization, ki and chakra are very similar and thus are equalized as per the rules, you thinking otherwise doesn't change thisye it does coz goku has never shown to sense and teleport with chakra
What the hell?Voting Naruto as well
verse = only applies if they are similar enough and ki and chakra aint similar frverse equalization, ki and chakra are very similar and thus are equalized as per the rules, you thinking otherwise doesn't change this
explain how they aren't, both are inner enrgies based on chi that you need to live and that can be used for a veriety of effects like elemental attacks and energy ballsverse = only applies if they are similar enough and ki and chakra aint similar fr
permission? the crt was made and concluded a long time agoWhat the hell?
Rana did you get permission to put this up before the CRT was made?
Ki is life force that acts as energy while chakra is power thats in shinobi brahexplain how they aren't, both are inner enrgies based on chi that you need to live and that can be used for a veriety of effects like elemental attacks and energy balls
chakra is also life force that acts as energyKi is life force that acts as energy while chakra is power thats in shinobi brah
simple maths
chakra is a different kind of life forcechakra is also life force that acts as energy
no it isn'tchakra is a different kind of life force
ye it isno it isn't
They both are used as life energy. When someone runs out of that energy, they die.
- They exist in similar states in the world (i.e. things that have Chakra in Naruto will match things that have Ki in DB)
Both are used fro energy attack, amps, abilities, and transformations.
- They can be used for similar things such as energy attacks, enhancements, or abilities
See above
- They have similar functions in both worlds
Both are lost through usage with attacks and transformations, and can be gained back by simply resting and/ or getting stronger.
- How the user gains or loses the power is similar
Naruto is quite a bit above Baseline Low 2-C.Goku in this key doesn’t even need Kaioken to handle Naruto. According to what I have seen, Naruto is not really far off baseline Low 2-C while SSB Goku in this key scale above people that can one shot people that are above baseline Low 2-C.
Here is the scaling: SSB Goku( Post UIO2)> SSJ2 Kefla( can one shot UIO2 Goku have he not dodge her Ki Blast)> UIO2 Goku> UIO1 Goku> Infinite Zamasu = Baseline Low 2-C.
If any of Goku’s attack touch Naruto, he is basically dead and punching or throwing Ki Blast is the first move that Goku do in almost every fight, Goku’s aoe Ki Blast can extend up to Universal Range so Naruto is not hiding anywhere.
I already agreed that Naruto is a bit above baseline Low 2-C. The problem here is that it’s not enough.Naruto is quite a bit above Baseline Low 2-C.
The only hax that really matters is the TSO which Goku already resisted. Outside of that, Naruto just mostly summons clones and spams Rasengan and Rasen Shuriken which Goku will respond with a massive AOE Ki Blast that has Universal Range that will kill all of the clones and Naruto himself.goku can one shot but naruto has hax
why would goku in this key be above kefla?I already agreed that Naruto is a bit above baseline Low 2-C. The problem here is that it’s not enough.
This is on Kefla’s proflie: Universe level+ (When fighting vs Ultra Instinct Goku, a confident Super Saiyan 2 Kefla stated she could "blow away an entire universe in one shot", and Piccolo commented that her power had surpassed the level that Goku had previously reached when fighting Jiren. At her absolute maximum strength, it was stated that not even a more adept UI Goku would have been capable of surviving one of her blasts, although he was able to effortlessly dodge each of her attacks).
Goku in this key scale above the same Kefla, who already can one shot people that are above baseline, meaning he can also one shot Naruto who is also a bit above baseline.
Because he fought Jiren who was showing a hint of his true power and stood his ground? The same Jiren literally made Beerus sweet his pants by flexing his Ki.why would goku in this key be above kefla?
so? that only makes this goku above ultra instinct sigh 1 from the first battle with jiren, as explained by giladBecause he fought Jiren who was showing a hint of his true power and stood his ground? The same Jiren literally made Beerus sweet his pants by flexing his Ki.
Dude, Jiren heavily suppressed frightened Beerus, that speaks volume of his power. Both UIO1 and UIO2 Goku along with SSJ2 Kefla didn’t do anything to frightened Beerus. Jiren himself didn’t even bother to participate the fight between Goku and Kefla and continue meditating. He only stop meditating and started fighting when SSB Goku and Vegeta( Post UIO2) appear.so? that only makes this goku above ultra instinct sigh 1 from the first battle with jiren, as explained by gilad
which doesn't mean much outside of him being extremely high for what a mortal should be, which is trueDude, Jiren heavily suppressed frightened Beerus, that speaks volume of his power.
because 1 he expected and now knows that mortals can be that strong and 2 if you want to use this argument than ssb goku in this key didn't eitherBoth UIO1 and UIO2 Goku along with SSJ2 Kefla didn’t do anything to frightened Beerus.
show the scene for contextJiren himself didn’t even bother to participate the fight between Goku and Kefla and continue meditating. He only stop meditating and started fighting when SSB Goku and Vegeta( Post UIO2) appear.
1 Goku scale to people that frightened Beerus and 2 Goku scale to Vegeta that was being praised for doing so well against Jiren and even Belmod was freaked out seeing Vegeta was able to pressure Jiren. 3 If UIO2 Goku and SSJ2 Kefla was truly stronger than or even just being as strong as Heavily Suppressed Jiren, the Angels, GODs, Kaioshin would make a statement directly compare them to Jiren who is the top dog of T.O.P.because 1 he expected and now knows that mortals can be that strong and 2 if you want to use this argument than ssb goku in this key didn't either
Can’t find the scene on YT so I’ll just summarize it: Near the end of ep 111, after curbstomping Hit, Jiren went to meditate. He stopped meditating in the middle of ep 116 to see the fight between Goku and Kefla but still did not participate in it and did not participate in any fight until ep 122, where he confronted SSB Goku.show the scene for context
don't see how that counters my point1 Goku scale to people that frightened Beerus
so? belmod does that to everyone that can somewhat challenge jirenand 2 Goku scale to Vegeta that was being praised for doing so well against Jiren and even Belmod was freaked out seeing Vegeta was able to pressure Jiren.
the fact that there is no statement doesn't prove that they aren't, jiren was impressed enough from ultra instinct sigh 2 goku that he felt the need to watch, also champa seems pretty impressed by kefla3 If UIO2 Goku and SSJ2 Kefla was truly stronger than or even just being as strong as Heavily Suppressed Jiren, the Angels, GODs, Kaioshin would make a statement directly compare them to Jiren who is the top dog of T.O.P.
i don't see the relevance of this, there was no need to participate in that fight, and since the whole top is about conserving energy, he would wait to the end of the fight, but since goku depowered from ultra instinct by the end, he now no need to participateCan’t find the scene on YT so I’ll just summarize it: Near the end of ep 111, after curbstomping Hit, Jiren went to meditate. He stopped meditating in the middle of ep 116 to see the fight between Goku and Kefla but still did not participate in it and did not participate in any fight until ep 122, where he confronted SSB Goku.
You know what? Let’s just go with your messed up interpretation and say SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than Heavily Suppressed Jiren. Doesn’t really matter because Goku still has a Broly Saga sub-key in this key, which SSB Goku scales to Ikari Broly who was stated by Goku to be different than any other Saiyan that they have seen which made him stronger than SSJ2 Kefla anyways.don't see how that counters my point
so? belmod does that to everyone that can somewhat challenge jiren
the fact that there is no statement doesn't prove that they aren't, jiren was impressed enough from ultra instinct sigh 2 goku that he felt the need to watch, also champa seems pretty impressed by kefla
i don't see the relevance of this, there was no need to participate in that fight, and since the whole top is about conserving energy, he would wait to the end of the fight, but since goku depowered from ultra instinct by the end, he now no need to participate
you mean the vague quote that can mean numerous things? goku in that scene could be talking about broly's suddenly growths in power, as he went from comparable to base vegeta to ss1 vegeta level, and then from that to ssg level in a short time, or he could be talking about broly's ikari form, which neither goku nor vegeta have saw before, the statement is too vague to say that it is about powerYou know what? Let’s just go with your messed up interpretation and say SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than Heavily Suppressed Jiren. Doesn’t really matter because Goku still has a Broly Saga sub-key in this key, which SSB Goku scales to Ikari Broly who was stated by Vegeta to be different than any other Saiyan that they have seen which made him stronger than SSJ2 Kefla anyways.
Both Goku and Vegeta has seen Saiyans with ridiculous growth rate before, such as Black and Kefla herself, as seen when she match UIO2 Goku level at the beginning of their battle and at the end of the fight can one shot the same UIO2 Goku. Ikari form is just Great Ape without the need to transform as clearly explained by Broly’s father and it gives a 10 time power boost, nothing special about that form, it’s even ranked lower than normal SSJ form. And both Goku and Vegeta do not make this kind of statement when they see SSJR Black and SSJ Berserk Kale, which is actually unique SSJ forms.you mean the vague quote that can mean numerous things? goku in that scene could be talking about broly's suddenly growths in power, as he went from comparable to base vegeta to ss1 vegeta level, and then from that to ssg level in a short time, or he could be talking about broly's ikari form, which neither goku nor vegeta have saw before, the statement is too vague to say that it is about power
both which are not even close to broly's, he grew stupitedly high after only a very short fight and after being completely overpowered by ssg vegeta only to overpower him insteadBoth Goku and Vegeta has seen Saiyans with ridiculous growth rate before, such as Black and Kefla herself
you keep saying one shot, can you give a link to what you are talking about?as seen when she match UIO2 Goku level at the beginning of their battle and at the end of the fight can one shot the same UIO2 Goku.
the fact that it is a great ape in base form is special enough, that and broly still growing powerIkari form is just Great Ape without the need to transform as clearly explained by Broly’s father and it gives a 10 time power boost, nothing special about that form
you are thinking again about just power, but the form itself is something that goku has never seen before, and also the fact that goku may not have even notice the transformation by that point, which works as well since it would be broly going ten times his base with no transformation from goku's perceptive, again too vague to say that it is talking about power exclusively, it’s even ranked lower than normal SSJ form.
yes because they can recognize that it is a variation of super sayan, which they are still surprised about, but it is a super sayan variation, which is not very shocking by this time in super, broly on the otherhand is a completely new form that we never seen anything even remotely similar beforeAnd both Goku and Vegeta do not make this kind of statement when they see SSJR Black and SSJ Berserk Kale, which is actually unique SSJ forms.