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Universal Naruto from the Storm games? Not sure if I truly believe that.

Well, what are wincons for both now?
 
Universal Naruto from the Storm games? Not sure if I truly believe that.
crazy stuff right?

Well, what are wincons for both now?
for goku is and edge in skill and a way for an insta win with the kaioken multiplier

for naruto is his means of incap(ninjutsu, sealing with magnet style, paralisis etc) and moves that ignore durability(frog strike and rasen shuriken, the latter that can have one very big aoe) plus advantages with clones and being able to feel goku's intent of harm
 
verse = only applies if they are similar enough and ki and chakra aint similar fr
explain how they aren't, both are inner enrgies based on chi that you need to live and that can be used for a veriety of effects like elemental attacks and energy balls
 
explain how they aren't, both are inner enrgies based on chi that you need to live and that can be used for a veriety of effects like elemental attacks and energy balls
Ki is life force that acts as energy while chakra is power thats in shinobi brah
simple maths
 
@omegabronic aight you have to prove most of these for it to be verse equalization ki and chakra wise
  • They exist in similar states in the world (i.e. things that have Chakra in Naruto will match things that have Ki in DB)
  • They can be used for similar things such as energy attacks, enhancements, or abilities
  • They have similar functions in both worlds
  • How the user gains or loses the power is similar
 
  • They exist in similar states in the world (i.e. things that have Chakra in Naruto will match things that have Ki in DB)
They both are used as life energy. When someone runs out of that energy, they die.
  • They can be used for similar things such as energy attacks, enhancements, or abilities
Both are used fro energy attack, amps, abilities, and transformations.
  • They have similar functions in both worlds
See above
  • How the user gains or loses the power is similar
Both are lost through usage with attacks and transformations, and can be gained back by simply resting and/ or getting stronger.
 
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Goku in this key doesn’t even need Kaioken to handle Naruto. According to what I have seen, Naruto is not really far off baseline Low 2-C while SSB Goku in this key scale above people that can one shot people that are above baseline Low 2-C.
Here is the scaling: SSB Goku( Post UIO2)> SSJ2 Kefla( can one shot UIO2 Goku have he not dodge her Ki Blast)> UIO2 Goku> UIO1 Goku> Infinite Zamasu = Baseline Low 2-C.
If any of Goku’s attack touch Naruto, he is basically dead and punching or throwing Ki Blast is the first move that Goku do in almost every fight, Goku’s aoe Ki Blast can extend up to Universal Range so Naruto is not hiding anywhere.
 
Goku in this key doesn’t even need Kaioken to handle Naruto. According to what I have seen, Naruto is not really far off baseline Low 2-C while SSB Goku in this key scale above people that can one shot people that are above baseline Low 2-C.
Here is the scaling: SSB Goku( Post UIO2)> SSJ2 Kefla( can one shot UIO2 Goku have he not dodge her Ki Blast)> UIO2 Goku> UIO1 Goku> Infinite Zamasu = Baseline Low 2-C.
If any of Goku’s attack touch Naruto, he is basically dead and punching or throwing Ki Blast is the first move that Goku do in almost every fight, Goku’s aoe Ki Blast can extend up to Universal Range so Naruto is not hiding anywhere.
Naruto is quite a bit above Baseline Low 2-C.
 
Naruto is quite a bit above Baseline Low 2-C.
I already agreed that Naruto is a bit above baseline Low 2-C. The problem here is that it’s not enough.
This is on Kefla’s proflie: Universe level+ (When fighting vs Ultra Instinct Goku, a confident Super Saiyan 2 Kefla stated she could "blow away an entire universe in one shot", and Piccolo commented that her power had surpassed the level that Goku had previously reached when fighting Jiren. At her absolute maximum strength, it was stated that not even a more adept UI Goku would have been capable of surviving one of her blasts, although he was able to effortlessly dodge each of her attacks).
Goku in this key scale above the same Kefla, who already can one shot people that are above baseline, meaning he can also one shot Naruto who is also a bit above baseline.
 
goku can one shot but naruto has hax 🔥🔥🔥
The only hax that really matters is the TSO which Goku already resisted. Outside of that, Naruto just mostly summons clones and spams Rasengan and Rasen Shuriken which Goku will respond with a massive AOE Ki Blast that has Universal Range that will kill all of the clones and Naruto himself.
 
I already agreed that Naruto is a bit above baseline Low 2-C. The problem here is that it’s not enough.
This is on Kefla’s proflie: Universe level+ (When fighting vs Ultra Instinct Goku, a confident Super Saiyan 2 Kefla stated she could "blow away an entire universe in one shot", and Piccolo commented that her power had surpassed the level that Goku had previously reached when fighting Jiren. At her absolute maximum strength, it was stated that not even a more adept UI Goku would have been capable of surviving one of her blasts, although he was able to effortlessly dodge each of her attacks).
Goku in this key scale above the same Kefla, who already can one shot people that are above baseline, meaning he can also one shot Naruto who is also a bit above baseline.
why would goku in this key be above kefla?
 
Because he fought Jiren who was showing a hint of his true power and stood his ground? The same Jiren literally made Beerus sweet his pants by flexing his Ki.
so? that only makes this goku above ultra instinct sigh 1 from the first battle with jiren, as explained by gilad
 
so? that only makes this goku above ultra instinct sigh 1 from the first battle with jiren, as explained by gilad
Dude, Jiren heavily suppressed frightened Beerus, that speaks volume of his power. Both UIO1 and UIO2 Goku along with SSJ2 Kefla didn’t do anything to frightened Beerus. Jiren himself didn’t even bother to participate the fight between Goku and Kefla and continue meditating. He only stop meditating and started fighting when SSB Goku and Vegeta( Post UIO2) appear.
 
Dude, Jiren heavily suppressed frightened Beerus, that speaks volume of his power.
which doesn't mean much outside of him being extremely high for what a mortal should be, which is true

Both UIO1 and UIO2 Goku along with SSJ2 Kefla didn’t do anything to frightened Beerus.
because 1 he expected and now knows that mortals can be that strong and 2 if you want to use this argument than ssb goku in this key didn't either

Jiren himself didn’t even bother to participate the fight between Goku and Kefla and continue meditating. He only stop meditating and started fighting when SSB Goku and Vegeta( Post UIO2) appear.
show the scene for context
 
because 1 he expected and now knows that mortals can be that strong and 2 if you want to use this argument than ssb goku in this key didn't either
1 Goku scale to people that frightened Beerus and 2 Goku scale to Vegeta that was being praised for doing so well against Jiren and even Belmod was freaked out seeing Vegeta was able to pressure Jiren. 3 If UIO2 Goku and SSJ2 Kefla was truly stronger than or even just being as strong as Heavily Suppressed Jiren, the Angels, GODs, Kaioshin would make a statement directly compare them to Jiren who is the top dog of T.O.P.
show the scene for context
Can’t find the scene on YT so I’ll just summarize it: Near the end of ep 111, after curbstomping Hit, Jiren went to meditate. He stopped meditating in the middle of ep 116 to see the fight between Goku and Kefla but still did not participate in it and did not participate in any fight until ep 122, where he confronted SSB Goku.
 
1 Goku scale to people that frightened Beerus
don't see how that counters my point

and 2 Goku scale to Vegeta that was being praised for doing so well against Jiren and even Belmod was freaked out seeing Vegeta was able to pressure Jiren.
so? belmod does that to everyone that can somewhat challenge jiren

3 If UIO2 Goku and SSJ2 Kefla was truly stronger than or even just being as strong as Heavily Suppressed Jiren, the Angels, GODs, Kaioshin would make a statement directly compare them to Jiren who is the top dog of T.O.P.
the fact that there is no statement doesn't prove that they aren't, jiren was impressed enough from ultra instinct sigh 2 goku that he felt the need to watch, also champa seems pretty impressed by kefla

Can’t find the scene on YT so I’ll just summarize it: Near the end of ep 111, after curbstomping Hit, Jiren went to meditate. He stopped meditating in the middle of ep 116 to see the fight between Goku and Kefla but still did not participate in it and did not participate in any fight until ep 122, where he confronted SSB Goku.
i don't see the relevance of this, there was no need to participate in that fight, and since the whole top is about conserving energy, he would wait to the end of the fight, but since goku depowered from ultra instinct by the end, he now no need to participate
 
don't see how that counters my point


so? belmod does that to everyone that can somewhat challenge jiren


the fact that there is no statement doesn't prove that they aren't, jiren was impressed enough from ultra instinct sigh 2 goku that he felt the need to watch, also champa seems pretty impressed by kefla


i don't see the relevance of this, there was no need to participate in that fight, and since the whole top is about conserving energy, he would wait to the end of the fight, but since goku depowered from ultra instinct by the end, he now no need to participate
You know what? Let’s just go with your messed up interpretation and say SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than Heavily Suppressed Jiren. Doesn’t really matter because Goku still has a Broly Saga sub-key in this key, which SSB Goku scales to Ikari Broly who was stated by Goku to be different than any other Saiyan that they have seen which made him stronger than SSJ2 Kefla anyways.
 
You know what? Let’s just go with your messed up interpretation and say SSJ2 Kefla is stronger than Heavily Suppressed Jiren. Doesn’t really matter because Goku still has a Broly Saga sub-key in this key, which SSB Goku scales to Ikari Broly who was stated by Vegeta to be different than any other Saiyan that they have seen which made him stronger than SSJ2 Kefla anyways.
you mean the vague quote that can mean numerous things? goku in that scene could be talking about broly's suddenly growths in power, as he went from comparable to base vegeta to ss1 vegeta level, and then from that to ssg level in a short time, or he could be talking about broly's ikari form, which neither goku nor vegeta have saw before, the statement is too vague to say that it is about power
 
you mean the vague quote that can mean numerous things? goku in that scene could be talking about broly's suddenly growths in power, as he went from comparable to base vegeta to ss1 vegeta level, and then from that to ssg level in a short time, or he could be talking about broly's ikari form, which neither goku nor vegeta have saw before, the statement is too vague to say that it is about power
Both Goku and Vegeta has seen Saiyans with ridiculous growth rate before, such as Black and Kefla herself, as seen when she match UIO2 Goku level at the beginning of their battle and at the end of the fight can one shot the same UIO2 Goku. Ikari form is just Great Ape without the need to transform as clearly explained by Broly’s father and it gives a 10 time power boost, nothing special about that form, it’s even ranked lower than normal SSJ form. And both Goku and Vegeta do not make this kind of statement when they see SSJR Black and SSJ Berserk Kale, which is actually unique SSJ forms.
 
Both Goku and Vegeta has seen Saiyans with ridiculous growth rate before, such as Black and Kefla herself
both which are not even close to broly's, he grew stupitedly high after only a very short fight and after being completely overpowered by ssg vegeta only to overpower him instead

as seen when she match UIO2 Goku level at the beginning of their battle and at the end of the fight can one shot the same UIO2 Goku.
you keep saying one shot, can you give a link to what you are talking about?

Ikari form is just Great Ape without the need to transform as clearly explained by Broly’s father and it gives a 10 time power boost, nothing special about that form
the fact that it is a great ape in base form is special enough, that and broly still growing power

, it’s even ranked lower than normal SSJ form.
you are thinking again about just power, but the form itself is something that goku has never seen before, and also the fact that goku may not have even notice the transformation by that point, which works as well since it would be broly going ten times his base with no transformation from goku's perceptive, again too vague to say that it is talking about power exclusively

And both Goku and Vegeta do not make this kind of statement when they see SSJR Black and SSJ Berserk Kale, which is actually unique SSJ forms.
yes because they can recognize that it is a variation of super sayan, which they are still surprised about, but it is a super sayan variation, which is not very shocking by this time in super, broly on the otherhand is a completely new form that we never seen anything even remotely similar before
 
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