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So, i guess Luffy is now the only member of the HST that has never hit Universal in this site?
If it makes ya feel better, Naruto only hit Low 2C because of a video game which logically means anything that happens in the game also occurs in the main series
 

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I already agreed that Naruto is a bit above baseline Low 2-C. The problem here is that it’s not enough.
This is on Kefla’s proflie: Universe level+ (When fighting vs Ultra Instinct Goku, a confident Super Saiyan 2 Kefla stated she could "blow away an entire universe in one shot", and Piccolo commented that her power had surpassed the level that Goku had previously reached when fighting Jiren. At her absolute maximum strength, it was stated that not even a more adept UI Goku would have been capable of surviving one of her blasts, although he was able to effortlessly dodge each of her attacks).
Goku in this key scale above the same Kefla, who already can one shot people that are above baseline, meaning he can also one shot Naruto who is also a bit above baseline.
I didn't say "a bit," I said quite a bit. SPSM KCM Hokage Naruto is way stronger than Base Hokage Naruto who's stronger than SPSM Naruto as a teen who's baseline, and can amp himself far more with the Kurama Avatar.
 
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Healing and Statistics Amp is not optional or likely they’re part of his main kit
The SoSP stuff like Fate hax and immortality are listed as likely
 
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Healing and Statistics Amp is not optional or likely they’re part of his main kit
The SoSP stuff like Fate hax and immortality are listed as likely
it is, see the naruto storm 4 key, that type of healing and stat amp is what i am restricting, the ones that are only possibles
 
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Healing and Statistics Amp is not optional or likely they’re part of his main kit
The SoSP stuff like Fate hax and immortality are listed as likely
"Possibly Resurrection, Statistics Amplification, Healing, Fate Manipulation and Immortality (Type 8; reliant on Hagoromo. Should Naruto get KO'd or killed in story mode, Hagoromo will appear and allow him to continue the battle, giving him the option of increasing either his attack or defense power for the remainder of the battle and restoring his health. When Naruto loses, Hagoromo states that Naruto isn't supposed to go to sleep yet, and can choose his own path and walk again, allowing him to change and choose his own fate)" read the profile before saying anything please
 
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"Possibly Resurrection, Statistics Amplification, Healing, Fate Manipulation and Immortality (Type 8; reliant on Hagoromo. Should Naruto get KO'd or killed in story mode, Hagoromo will appear and allow him to continue the battle, giving him the option of increasing either his attack or defense power for the remainder of the battle and restoring his health. When Naruto loses, Hagoromo states that Naruto isn't supposed to go to sleep yet, and can choose his own path and walk again, allowing him to change and choose his own fate)" read the profile before saying anything please
I did he also gets statistics amp from Kurama and healing from items
 
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Anyway Goku is thousands of times baseline universal+ in base. He blinks the pineapple ugly ass fodder
1 this thread is over already and it is already added in the profiles
2 goku in this key is above baseline, but nowhere close a thousand times
 
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I just wanted to say that even though Goku is far stronger, he tends to hold back a lot, making the AP advantage not very substantial. They'll probably treat it as a sparring match before eventually getting serious

Issue is any of Naruto's abilities can cripple Goku even when used for training, esp Rasenshuriken which deconstructs at a cellular level. If Goku tries to block it, he'll die and Naruto would have killed Goku by accident

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So this becomes a "who hits the other guy first." type of match.

Goku can now one shot Naruto just by breathing (because apparently this is how the Wiki treats 1 universe AP difference in Tier 2)
And Naruto can dura neg
 
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Naruto can still win via two ways here even with the massive AP gap.
Rasenshuriken dura neg (attacks opponents at the cellular level)
Erasure and deconstruction via TSO
 
Naruto can still win via two ways here even with the massive AP gap.
Rasenshuriken dura neg (attacks opponents at the cellular level)
Erasure and deconstruction via TSO
Yeah, except Goku staring at him too hard might make Naruto's head explode. Also, Goku isn't stupid, he isn't gonna stand there and let Naruto fight and throw his entire arsenal at him.
 
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Yeah, except Goku staring at him too hard might make Naruto's head explode. Also, Goku isn't stupid, he isn't gonna stand there and let Naruto fight and throw his entire arsenal at him.
Nah at range literally the first thing he'll do is throw a Rasenshuriken. At close range he immediately busts out the TSO stick.
 
Nah at range literally the first thing he'll do is throw a Rasenshuriken. At close range he immediately busts out the TSO stick.
Which I don't see why Goku can't counter with a Ki blast, and at close range fighting Goku is a death sentence for Naruto. Not sure why speed is equalized.
 
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At close range it's going to depend on who's going to hit first. Naruto with his TSO stick or Goku with, literally anything.
 
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That's why I'm asking. Why shouldn't Goku be allowed to use his speed advantage and blitz Naruto's intestines out as would normally happen?
The match would have not been possible to be done then, you expected me to do a boring match where one side has no wincons?
 
The match would have not been possible to be done then, you expected me to do a boring match where one side has no wincons?
That's....precisely what most DB vs Naruto matches are. One sided stomps for DB. Maybe look at other matches with characters whose stats aren't (literally) universes apart.
 
Yet naruto won when they shared a tier


That is what i did, this thread was made when they were pretty close in stats
So Naruto needs the same tier AND equal speeds to be able to win against Goku? I think you just proved my point, that without these luxuries (Naruto is never sharing a tier with most versions of Goku, nor is he as fast), he stands 0 chance. Which is my point.
 
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So Naruto needs the same tier AND equal speeds to be able to win against Goku? I think you just proved my point, that without these luxuries (Naruto is never sharing a tier with most versions of Goku, nor is he as fast), he stands 0 chance. Which is my point.
Yeah? What about it? Naruto would destroy original db no problem, does that really matter? No, sayan saga is a good match, i may do it later on
 
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Yeah? What about it? Naruto would destroy original db no problem, does that really matter? No, sayan saga is a good match, i may do it later on
I have some Naruto vs Saiyan Saga threads going on. There's a Vegeta vs Gaara (both 5-B) that's still going.

Might cook some more VS threads.
 
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Keep in mind that equalized speed is the only equal stat that's allowed during VS matches. Everything else is fair game. Naruto just happens to have a Low 2-C rating before.
 
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I have some Naruto vs Saiyan Saga threads going on. There's a Vegeta vs Gaara (both 5-B) that's still going.

Might cook some more VS threads.
I wish we had 5-A db still to put barion mode against, one day maybe

Again, why are you flexing? If you want to say that them that naruto outbeats all of the sayan saga to early freeza saga

Idk why that matters so much tho
 
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Why wouldn't it work?
People are not allowed to make a vs match where one of the characters has zero chance of winning. (ie a stomp). Do this over and over and you're going to get banned, especially when you do this out of hatred for one of the characters.

DB Toei characters stomps Naruto (except maybe Saiyan Saga Toei Goku vs Isshiki). Boruto characters stomps OG DB to Manga Z Goku. On cross verse battles we intentionally find match ups where winning is possible for both characters.
 
People are not allowed to make a vs match where one of the characters has zero chance of winning. (ie a stomp). Do this over and over and you're going to get banned, especially when you do this out of hatred for one of the characters.
I'm surprised DB vs Naruto matches aren't banned yet
 
People are not allowed to make a vs match where one of the characters has zero chance of winning. (ie a stomp). Do this over and over and you're going to get banned, especially when you do this out of hatred for one of the characters.

DB Toei characters stomps Naruto (except maybe Saiyan Saga Toei Goku vs Isshiki). Boruto characters stomps OG DB to Manga Z Goku. On cross verse battles we intentionally find match ups where winning is possible for both characters.
How are Boruto characters stomping Manga Z Goku? He's above baseline Solar System level
 
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Yes, no one is doubting that. We all knew MUI Goku can stomp most fictional characters. Which is why we put MUI Goku against characters on his level (not Naruto), and Naruto against someone on his level (not Goku)
I think this should be closed and the victory removed, when the character gains an update he is reset (both the defeat and also the victories)
 
Goku after he knocks out Naruto accidentally with a glare for the 69420th time:
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DB Toei characters stomps Naruto (except maybe Saiyan Saga Toei Goku vs Isshiki). Boruto characters stomps OG DB to Manga Z Goku. On cross verse battles we intentionally find match ups where winning is possible for both characters.
Pretty sure that the strongest Boruto characters are 5A. Meaning base Goku on Namek would fuck most of their ass. Only non canon Naruto can get past Manga Z,hard stop in Z Anime due to quite literally two levels of infinite difference in strength.
 
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