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I want people to engage it here first.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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I can tell you for a matter of fact, that Deceived, the guy who made the Kirin debunk, isn’t engaging it here lol. But if you’re cool with that, then yeah go your own pace
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The Kirin one is heavily agreed upon by majority of the fans to be valid, I don't need to touch much on it here. I'm currently discussing the double lariat because no one pays attention to it anymore. Meanwhile I think it is a good supporting evidence for Light-speed Raikage.
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Light Speed = Jonin Minato~V2 Ay>>V1 Ay's Lariat
Apollonir.Scale
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The deadliest expressions don't always mean stronger. There was an expression for Edo Deidara that said he was one of the deadliest characters. There's a similar expression for Kakuzu. It's a bit more ruthless and something said in reference to hax.
There was also a statement that Konoha's 4 great jonin are the strongest jonin. Kurenai Asuma was raising Gai and Kakashi but I still couldn't find the source of this statement. I think it was in the anime-specific databook.
MinatoSparkle
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Hiashi is ass
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How did you arrive at this?
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I’d wait to see if Damage’s thread goes through or not. IMO whether or not it gets accepted as literal vs hyperbolic depends on the surrounding context. Aka are there supportive light speed scaling etc etc. So, if Damage’s thread goes through, I think you’d have a much harder time building that consistency.
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Which part/s
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Light speed ~ Jonin Minato
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I pray the bottom of my heart that it doesn't.
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Why do you think Jonin Minato is Relative to Adult V2 Ay?
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Nothing burger childish responses
I half want to make a LS thread compiling all the statements and attempt to upgrade a good portion of the verse, but I half don't because I lack confidence in its success...
Don’t worry about what is acceptable by the wiki just go for what you feel deep down is truth, that mentality closes off a lot of upgrades in the wiki that wouldn’t be opposed had you done them off wiki due to the unofficial nature of other platforms
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Glad to see it wasn't a Shikamaru antifeat. It was just usual Konohamaru behavior.
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You've read the full chapter?
Majority of fans do agree but at the end of the day your arguments need to be convincing to staffs, same staffs who agreed to the downgrade. If you arguments are convincing enough we're behind you.
For double lariat you'd have a really hard time passing it
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HelloThere1089
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Rough translations. Text only.
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Yes, I know all this but why will Jonin Minato from like 20 years ago be > Adult Raikage Ay ? Are you suggesting that AY never got stronger and faster since his first interaction with Jonin Minato?
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How I sleep knowing my Jigen takes would piss people off
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what are your Jigen takes
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So I kinda dig Akebi being the “final boss”, assuming they go that route. 
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my ass just happy i called it years ago (if it does happen)So I kinda dig Akebi being the “final boss”, assuming they go that route.
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Chocho Punch (3.2 Pettatons) vs Hashirama Shinsusenju with Ems Madaras Perfect Susanoo Stacked on Top + Both Halves of Kurama Amping It (0.8 Pettatons)
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I think his argument was like this: When Minato's Jonin state is mentioned, Minato is called Yellow Flash. The Minato that Raikage is close to Minato in terms of speed is also Jonin Minato. Besides, Edo Minato's feats put him far above Raikage.
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And can’t nobody say this was some Kaguya type shit. It’s been being set up perfectly for years, if they pull that trigger.
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Arc7Kuroi, I just went from reading this thread below
Post in thread 'Naruto Moon splitting calc' https://vsbattles.com/threads/naruto-moon-splitting-calc.175611/post-6916709
I read your counter arguments and I don't disagree but I have a question why the speed of the splitting moon was used instead of the speed of Toneri's attack? Can you simplify to me
Post in thread 'Naruto Moon splitting calc' https://vsbattles.com/threads/naruto-moon-splitting-calc.175611/post-6916709
I read your counter arguments and I don't disagree but I have a question why the speed of the splitting moon was used instead of the speed of Toneri's attack? Can you simplify to me
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Because when calculating something’s KE you need the speed of that something. The moon’s KE is the MOON’s speed squared times half the moon’s mass.
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https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...swap-a-train-is-heading-for-some-pain.913224/
It's crazy how SpaceBattles downplay Naruto. It's so entertaining.
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honestly, what place doesn't?
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Yeah? We'll have you ever heard of subsonic Pain arc Naruto and Pain? Read through that thread lmao
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Vsbw funny enough
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Spacebattles is/has always been a cancerous blackhole of PowerScaling! 
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Damn someone used my pain is below average human argument
https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...swap-a-train-is-heading-for-some-pain.913224/
It's crazy how SpaceBattles downplay Naruto. It's so entertaining.
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Minato became Hokage primarily due to his performance during the war, where he earned the title “Yellow Flash.” This reputation could arguably extend to his entire tenure as Hokage with him growing even faster and stronger as time passed, up until his death. As a Jonin, Minato demonstrated speed far surpassing Ay’s when they clashed. However, after that encounter that is at least 20 years ago, Ay continued to grow in both strength and speed. Therefore, the claim that Adult Raikage’s Double Lariat is comparable ~ Jonin Minato’s speed isn’t unreasonable.
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On paper, equal stats, Kawaki actually hard counters Boruto’s Arsenal. The only real way for Boruto to beat Kawaki is via stalling & forcing an over-heating wincon or just dog him out with a mix of Taijutsu skill and Evasiveness.
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Downplays are in degrees
