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Oh, then it's a bit more debatable, but I still feel like his EE is a lot easier to pull off and is pretty much his first go-to move.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Her genjutsu is not thought based. None of her abilities are thought based except her dimension switching.
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How is visual genjutsu not thought based? Ik you have to like, conjure up chakra and release it out of your eye but you do all that but that's all thought based shenanigans
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Well then Kaguya would likely still win due to Zeno need to raise his arm and clench his fist to erase someone
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Kaguya would need to like, have prior info tho. Because she doesn't just immediately open up with genjutsu. She would likely monolog about how immortal she is and get erased.
Well it's also a question of how EE works. Because Kaguya should have baseline resistance but Zenos erases you from the history not just present so it might bypass it?
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You need to actually establish eye contact for it to work and you need to actually activate the visual Jutsu you're using.
It's not a "I think it, and the ability comes into existence instantly" sort of situation. Unlike her dimension switching, which actually happens instantly as soon as she decides to use it.
Maybe. That's for the people who will be debating on the vs thread to decide.
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Zen'ō's EE is far beyond anything the TSOs can do lol. It's also layered.
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Well if it's like that, then Zeno would start being goofy around as a child. In the Vs thread, it would be who can do the first move mostly
As long Kaguya can paralysis Zeno first via her genjutsu, she wins
MinatoSparkle
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Yin and Yang combined are greater than the sum of its parts, it's just like Naruto and Sasuke
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Jiraiya
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Hashirama literally compared KCM2 Naruto to himself.
MinatoSparkle
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1. KCM2 Naruto>Lone 50% Kurama
2. That statement's about chakra volume specifically
3. It might only be about Base Hashirama tbh
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Which would then correlate to BSM being roughly Sage Hashirama level, especially since he and Sasuke performed significantly better against Jūbito than anyone else did.
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Well eye contact is usually the first thing people do, it's not like it takes time unless the opponent has knowledge about genjutsu. And activating is basically just molding chakra and releasing it which seems to be nigh instant. So while it's not literally thought based, it essentially works like it is.
I mean yeah that's why I asked whether range like that goes beyond resistances. And is it layered? I couldn't see anything on his page, verse page, or the layer evaluation thread.
No because SBA would makes Zeno want to kill Kaguya from the start. Although it's hard to say what Kaguya would do in a situation like that given her limited screen time.
Yeah ig.
But ngl I kidna hate these weak haxxed character vs strong character without resistances to the hax thread
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I agree, not sure what this has to do with 50% Kurama himself.
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Because him being anything less than half of his full power is stupid.
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No because SBA would makes Zeno want to kill Kaguya from the start. Although it's hard to say what Kaguya would do in a situation like that given her limited screen time.
Yeah ig.
But ngl I kidna hate these weak haxxed character vs strong character without resistances to the hax thread
You wanna make the VS thread perhaps. If Kaguya wins, it would be huge
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No, it's not.
How is it layered ? Did Zeno also deleted the Zeno from the other timelines ?
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Good ol Goku sparkle would have handed it to you that Zeno can erase gods who are resistant to EE
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Nah, likely I said
But you can make it if you're interested. I might participate in that caseI kidna hate these weak haxxed character vs strong character without resistances to the hax thread
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Nah bro, you be the star. If Kaguya wins, everyone would go start praisin you fr. Also even if Kaguya loses, it wont really matter as it is against a low complex multi being
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I'm not saying ocular genjutsu is bad or hard to pull off. It's pretty OP. It's just not thought based, technically speaking.
Yeah, sorry. I should've elaborated lol.
Zen'ō can casually erase Gods of Destruction, who can resist Hakai, which erases mind, body and soul from existence across all of history. He can also erase Space-Time, and beings who have merged with it.
As for his range, he can casually erase multiple universes at once.
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This thread moves so quickly. 4 - 5 pages per day.
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No, I mean Kinkaku(funny-ass name) and Ginkaku.
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Yes, it is. Believe me, I'm THE TSO guy on this site lol.
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@karo_senpaii would help you greatly here too
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So let me get this straight… the only thing scaling 100% Kurama “Far Above” his 50% Variant is just Hasirama scaling? 
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Yes, I'm planning to revamp her profile. But I need to get the chakra blog done first because a few of the things I'm planning to give her require the blog being accepted as a prerequisite.
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They have theirs strength and weakness
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@MinatoSparkle
Does the 3rd Databook actually say the Odama Rasengan size is proportional to the size of a would be Asteroid strike?
Does the 3rd Databook actually say the Odama Rasengan size is proportional to the size of a would be Asteroid strike?
MinatoSparkle
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Don't you think Sage Mode is a 10 times+ multiplier anyways? That would make SM Hashirama more than 5x above 50% Kurama
I do not recall this unfortunately
Do you mean they ate some of 100% Kurama's chakra so he wasn't at his strongest when split in two?
That and scaling to Madara's Perfect SusanooSo let me get this straight… the only thing scaling 100% Kurama “Far Above” his 50% Variant is just Hasirama scaling?
MinatoSparkle
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You mean impact? If so, yes.@MinatoSparkle
Does the 3rd Databook actually say the Odama Rasengan size is proportional to the size of a would be Asteroid strike?
攻撃対象を突き抜け、周囲の地面さえも抉る凄まじい攻撃力ッ!!圧縮された“九尾”のチャクラが生む衝撃は、小型隕石の衝突に匹敵する･･･!!
A tremendous attack power that pierces through the target and even gouges the surrounding ground!! The impact created by the compressed 'Nine-Tails' chakra rivals the impact of a small meteorite...!!
These are the respective definitions of the kanji for the two uses of the word impact btw.
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Ye. I guess Hashirama didn't fight him when he had all that either though. For anime fans, they also sealed a little bit in Sora(that fight did NOT go how I wanted it to.)
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Complete Kurama>Founders meta
(not really)
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I SHOULD BE WRITING FILLER ARCS, I DO NOT CARE. Why on EARTH did they not have Naruto go 4-Tails and rock 4-Tail Sora's shit???
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So what’s wrong with:
Base Hashirama >= 100% Kurama (x2) > 50% Kurama (x5) > Regular Biju?
Base Hashirama >= 100% Kurama (x2) > 50% Kurama (x5) > Regular Biju?
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Base Hashirama is not > Kurama.
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Ok, sure. What about the rest of it?
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KCM2 Naruto>50% Kurama and Edo BM Jin>Bijuu
