In what way? If you mean as a character then I kind of agree, but I'm just kind of tired of people harping on the way Madara was replaced. I agree that Zetsu being able to stab Madara like that is clearly PIS since Madara has multifaceted layered sensory precog but still.
his coat is ******* gas i cant lie
Kakashi Bros in shambles. (I am Kakashi Bros).
Although it was pretty obvious the fifth Shinju was gonna be the same as we saw in chapter 13.
I think it’s both but that’s irrelevant to the point.
I agree with this as well but it’s also irrelevant to my point a little bit. The point is, Momo and kin at least scale to her from 1000+ years ago and they’ve evolved many times since then
This isn’t true Amado made it clear that u need a sacrifice. This just means Kaguya betrayed isshiki AFTER she resurrected via karma
They didn’t sacrifice 16 different otsutsuki’s brother, it was just kinshiki over and over again and he’d revive via karma. That was how it’s explained.
Kaguya ate a chakra fruit right? Who was sacrificed then?
Wait really? Damn I never noticed this for some reason. Can you post a scan where this was stated?
Oh... the coat, the hair... they got him.
Kakashi Bros in shambles. (I am Kakashi Bros).
Although it was pretty obvious the fifth Shinju was gonna be the same as we saw in chapter 13.
There are two ways this could have happened.
Her scroll specifically stated that she was afraid of those two. Sasuke confirms this after the scrolls were translated. Secondly even though she already consumed a chakra fruit, she still went through the trouble of creating a zetsu army just for them. So yeah, it is definitely narratively implied and stated that Momoshiki + Kinshiki > Kaguya.
Yes I realize it’s an addition. The reason why I said 2x amp is because the next God tree they eat, the sacrifice will be from the evolved state not the previous one. For example 1+1= 2 (evolved state) god tree 2 would then be 2+2. It’s more of an exponential sequence than an addition.
There’s an anime canon scene showing that when she envisioned the clan coming for her, it was Momo kin and urashiki. This was before hagoromo sealed her. Please don’t bring up any Kaguya> Momo stuff in 2024 I beg
The tree doesn't get twice as strong.
I’m saying the sacrifice does, therefore the next tree they eat still has that bare minimum fusion amp that Momo and kin did.
This is all well and good except for the small part where Kaguya's scroll blatantly mention Kinshiki and Momoshiki as the pair that she's worried about
I’m to lazy to create an imgur link.
A meta explanation would be that Kishimoto wanted a villain stronger than Kaguya right off the bat, but Momoshiki not having the war arc build up combined with Boruto's general lack of feats make him seem weaker than he is. Also nostalgia from fans and stuff. If we go by just info without any personal feelings, then it is pretty clear that author intent was for Momo to be > Kaguya. But people can't believe that, as evident by how many hoops they have to go through to discredit numerous statements. Which is fine, but doesn't change the facts.
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Yes. Go to chapter 51 of boruto nng, Amado states it
They both share the fruit, Amado stated this. Therefore get a similar amp. Amado theorized Kaguya betrayed isshiki because she didn’t wanna share the fruit.
Bro looks like you are working day and night to upgrade the verse because all this information is crazy. I have never thought of it like that honestly.
The problem is that both when he first unlocked KCM and when he supposedly got a mental amp, he was compared to the Yellow Flash
I don't think him choosing to use Susanoo proves he couldn't dodge. He was able to react to KCM2 Naruto physically, I really doubt he had trouble with Ay's speed.
Cause he'd still be one of the fastest shinobi Madara has seen
You know he also used Susanoo to block Tsunade right
This isn't a theory when he literally implemented a plan that takes this factor into account right after. What do you think FTG level 2 even is? It's a response to Obito phasing through Minato when he simply attacks head on.
I'm aware? That's literally the reason Minato tried a different approach.
No it's not, he said he needs to time his attack precisely, then he follows this up by timing his attack precisely, attacking just when Obito thinks he's won
If he doesn't activate FTG at the right time he could lose, and he technically says it'll be decided by who's faster, and Minato won, so...
Kishimoto made Minato understand and recognize Obito's abilities and fighting style, then craft a solution. I don't know why you keep ignoring that FTG level 2 is a blatant follow up to everything he was talking about in the previous page. If his plan was simply to slightly outspeed Obito and tag him with the Rasengan before Obito touched him, why did he throw the FTG kunai behind Obito?
He needed to extend his arm to touch Minato
Not really, at worst it's a 50/50 on whether he was still extending his arm after he saw Minato disappear, but either way his body was absolutely still moving forward given that he was mid air from his leap forward.
For the last part well thanks to the power of shinjutsu( karma) those otsusuki would just come back so they are not really sacrificed. Hell it could be kinshiki going through the karma cycle 16 times. Kaguya getting a fruit without an otsusuki is just unexplained for now.
In the novel it’s stated is momoshiki eating the last one after he conquered the planet and it’s generally implied that it was a recent event. I highly doubt momoshiki was on one planet for thousands of years. It’s also 17 God tree’s and not 16. The dimension he fought Naruto and sasuke in also has its own.
It’s never explicitly stated but if it was less of an amp, they would do that instead of going through the stress of planting a ten tails and guarding a tree.
So this is where you're gonna hit a bump in your CRT. You would need some logic to fit 16 fruits after Kaguya last saw Momoshiki. Just saying "I highly doubt it" prolly is not gonna be accepted.
Because using the tree helps Kinshiki come back again and again. But converting Kinshiki into a fruit without the tree doesn't let Kinshiki use Karma. So the latter option could be a bigger amp immediately, but the reusability of the tree gives them more amps so it's better in the long run.
This I can agree with.
I literally said the novel tells us it’s a recent event happening.
No bro read 51 again, kinshiki will not come back from the divine tree if he doesn’t use karma. The way he would revive himself in both cases is exactly the same. The tree doesn’t “help” him come back it’s all karma.
If this is accepted we are looking at large planet level otsutsuki’s
