For the last part well thanks to the power of shinjutsu( karma) those otsusuki would just come back so they are not really sacrificed. Hell it could be kinshiki going through the karma cycle 16 times. Kaguya getting a fruit without an otsusuki is just unexplained for now.
In the novel it’s stated is momoshiki eating the last one after he conquered the planet and it’s generally implied that it was a recent event. I highly doubt momoshiki was on one planet for thousands of years. It’s also 17 God tree’s and not 16. The dimension he fought Naruto and sasuke in also has its own.
It’s never explicitly stated but if it was less of an amp, they would do that instead of going through the stress of planting a ten tails and guarding a tree.
So this is where you're gonna hit a bump in your CRT. You would need some logic to fit 16 fruits after Kaguya last saw Momoshiki. Just saying "I highly doubt it" prolly is not gonna be accepted.
Because using the tree helps Kinshiki come back again and again. But converting Kinshiki into a fruit without the tree doesn't let Kinshiki use Karma. So the latter option could be a bigger amp immediately, but the reusability of the tree gives them more amps so it's better in the long run.
This I can agree with.
I literally said the novel tells us it’s a recent event happening.
No bro read 51 again, kinshiki will not come back from the divine tree if he doesn’t use karma. The way he would revive himself in both cases is exactly the same. The tree doesn’t “help” him come back it’s all karma.
If this is accepted we are looking at large planet level otsutsuki’s
Would be awesome
You said Momoshiki eating the last fruit is a recent event. You then said you didn't believe that he would have been on that planet for a thousand years. If you meant the novel tells us that Momoshiki came to the planet for the first time recently, then my bad.
Which is gonna be tough to get accepted but good luck. There are a few counters I believe. One of them being Uzuhiko.
What is your prove that the tree in Momoshiki dimension was recently planted?
Uzuhiko is not a counter
You might not think so, but the mods might. That's what I was stating.
Doesn't it currently cap anyone <=Boruto to Planet Level?
I don't believe so. I mean I have had an argument with just The slayer and that's it.
My guy I'm just stating a possibility. Slayer already said he believes that. Others could too. I'm just telling sage to prepare for that. What part of this do you not understand?
Whew, I honestly don’t want to go into this again, but let’s break it down.
Ok Bill Nye
This isn't a debate or argument; we're simply having a conversation.
owned me
Don't lie. My comment that you yourself quoted wasn't an absolute statement.
"Might" isn't an absolute statement. Read the stuff you quote smh. And not sure how you are getting that I'm not calm.
Wow I honestly thought I saw do not might. That was an honest mistake i apologise.
No problem
I wasn't angry. I was confused because you were seemingly disagreeing with there being a possibility of disagreement from the mods. So I genuinely asked that.
Nops, don't get me wrong lol. It was just my own personal disbelief. We have cases like: "Boro > Delta" that make the statements a little hard to believe, but what I think what causes this not only in me but in almost the entire fandom is because of how bad the script was done in Boruto. While Madara needed to be taken out of the scene, and Kaguya needed 10 chapters to be defeated (and it was still in a huge PIS), Momoshiki Base proved to be far inferior to Full Naruto and Sasuke. Especially in the manga, besides being marked by the kages, and his fused form also only showed a lot in the anime, and because he was defeated by a super rasengan from base Naruto + Kid Boruto it was something that greatly influenced this view about his strength.
No problem
I wasn't angry. I was confused because you were seemingly disagreeing with there being a possibility of disagreement from the mods. So I genuinely asked that.
Honest misunderstanding. Sorry about that man.
Indra Susanoo Sasuke - Rinnegan Sasuke>>>Pre-God Tree Juubidara - Rinnegan SM Madara despite them both being the user + Bijuu 1-8 and 50% Kurama
No problem man. Glad the confusion was cleared up.
Agree. You know what's funny? I commented this too.
Wasn't the divine tree of Momo's dimension created using the chakra he took from the Hachibi? If I'm not mistaken, Momo implies to Naruto.
You’re ignoring the original premise. Outside of Shunshin, FTG was the only means to achieve his objective of tagging… THAT IS MY ORIGINAL POINT!! Minato didn’t “hold back” his speed. Obito matched his Combat Speed and outpaced him in that exchange. That is a fact.
Minato’s approach was to strike during the mutual exchange when the phasing is off. Nothing supports he held back to achieve this.
I never said Obito was blitzing Minato or that Minato wasn’t capable of reacting to Obito. You are hyper focused on this aspect and theory crafting his reasoning when quite literally, them being relative and him using FTG at the right moment doesn’t suggest he was “holding back” his combat speed.
Sure. Minato’s reaction speed was fast enough to use FTG in the moment before Obito touched him to attack while his Phasing was switched off. This doesn’t change the favt that Obito still matched and outsped Minato’s non-Shunshin speed slightly.
You’re the only one bringing up FTG. It’s not relevant to Minato’s Combat Speed, which Obito matches and exceeds slightly based on their fight. Nothing supports your stance that he held back his combat speed. His reaction speed + FTG Usage doesn’t change the feats shown. You’re theory crafting reasoning that isn’t supported.
For starters, Minato’s speed isn’t fast enough to do that w/o FTG, which can’t be tracked. While I concede Minato’s Shunshin Speed is faster than Obito’s Combat Speed, it was never fast enough to Escape or Tax Obito’s Reaction Speed, which was the entire point of him needing to time FTG Usage perfectly.
… and that is theory crafting reasoning not supported in the manga. False. His arm didn’t need to be fully extended to touch and warp Minato. This is literally showcased.
Yes really. Nobody is arguing against Minato attacking Obito while he was trying to warp him away. Yes, Minato’s arm is fully extended while Obito was still stationary, but the fact you’re failing to acknowledge is that unlike Minato’s Situation, Obito didn’t need to. All he had to do was make contact. Their Goal’s were completely different. So having an extended is irrelevant.
He’s not without Shunshin, which is the point. It’s literally shown.
I really think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying…
