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I agree, he's not so fast that he can blitz Obito before he mentally activates Kamui
It's a fact that he outpaced him in THAT exchange yes. This is visible on panel, it was never the point of contention. The point of contention is whether it's a valid feat given the situation (as an analogy, it wouldn't be valid to claim Naruto is normally a blitz tier above Kaguya based on him blitzing her, because Naruto was mentally amped and Kaguya was low on chakra).
That seems to be the case, but I don't know where the misunderstanding is coming from.
1. Minato recognizes that it's impossible to hit Obito normally
2. Minato thinks about the fact that Obito makes himself solid when he attacks
3. Obito attacks
4. Minato doesn't make him switch to phasing (whether this is intentional or not)
5. Minato then is able to hit Obito because he remains solid
Perhaps I should make a clarification. I wouldn't say Minato's thoughts are objective proof that his top combat speed is faster than Obito's, but it certainly casts significant doubt on the idea that Obito is faster, because Minato's approach in this exchange would be the same regardless of his actual maximum speed.
No? His approach was to teleport behind Obito and catch him offguard with FTG level 2, which is canonically what happened. Unless you mean the time of the mutual exchange, which I agree with, and is what I'm referring to with my argument.
I think I get what you're saying, that regardless of his combat speed compared to Obito's, he could still be timing precisely by activating FTG just before one of them hit each other. But the problem with that is that if it looked like Obito was gonna get hit first, he'd switch to phasing, and then when Minato uses FTG level 2, he'll phase through Obito, making his whole plan moot.
I'm just responding to you saying Minato thinks he could lose, and explaining why that doesn't mean what you think it does.
It literally is because FTG level 2 DEMANDS that Minato doesn't outspeed Obito. I've gone over this from multiple different angles and those don't seem to have been effective, so this time I'm gonna try a short narration to try to get my point across.
Minato threw his kunai at Obito, and it flew through his head. They charged at each other, right hands poised for each other. Minato charged a Rasengan, and with his full speed, rammed it toward Obito. He wasn't known as the fastest ninja for nothing, and before Obito's hand could get near Minato, Minato's Rasengan was already an inch away.
Obito looked disconcertedly at the Rasengan headed for him. Blast, I'll have to use Kamui to dodge this, he thought, activating the ability. But just before the Rasengan would've hit him, Minato teleported away, surprising Obito. Thankfully, the Rasengan aimed for his back failed because he'd pre-emptively (if unintentionally) defended against it.
Minato leaped away as his Rasengan touched the ground. "Tch. I'll have to try a different maneuver then."
Do you see why it'd have been problematic for Minato to go full speed if he was faster? And why it was beneficial in this situation to lull Obito into a false sense of security (which clearly worked)?
Yes
I mean I don't actually have a particular problem with this. In fact it's contextually supported if anything.
It's supported by the manga in both of these situationsThat is what you’re doing with Minato… and that is theory crafting reasoning not supported in the manga.
If I said something like "Minato was mentally nerfed against Obito because he subconsciously realized who he was when he saw his hair, which is supported by him being a sensor that would've been able to feel his chakra 
" that would be closer to what you're claiming I'm doing.Reading between the lines =/= making up an unsupported theory.
But he was extending his arm to grab Minato in the first place. When you're moving your arm forward at full speed, it's not exactly easy to just stop without preparing to do so ahead of time. I'll drop this point because it's too ambiguous though, and it somewhat looks like Obito's arm stopped moving here when his fingers folded.
I'm talking about his movement speed. Obito had jumped forward, yet he didn't seem to move forward at all in the time it took for Minato to slam the Rasengan into him. Now if you don't think non-Shunshin movement speed scales to combat speed at all, I'm fine with that. Was just pointing out that Minato's combat speed>>Obito's movement speed.
I feel the sameHe’s not without Shunshin, which is the point. It’s literally shown.
I really think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying…
