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And hopefully be written so it doesn't take a lot to reach the profile with the calc in question. This happens in profiles at times and just makes it a pain in the ass to find the beginning of where everyone scales from.
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Naruto Speed Revisions and Scaling
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For all the years the whole debate about Kuma and the pacifista having Kizaru light who was even stated to beeing lightspeed wasn´t accept here for some reason, but magically the beams of Delta are lightspeed?? Cmon we all know that this is a bs to accept such as lightspeed, even though Kawaki even could react to that beam. Of all feats, for sure Delta beams aren´t travel with light speed, at least their isn´t any proof for us to believe it, not a single statement overall.Damage3245 said:
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You're preaching to the choir here, I'm in agreement with you. But this isn't the thread for that.Chibi14 said:
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Stop derailing the thread
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It actually does. But yeah, needs to be dropped.
Still, has the general scaling for most of the levels been checked over, or just the low tiers?
Still, has the general scaling for most of the levels been checked over, or just the low tiers?
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The justifications in the sandbox needs updating to reflect that it is combat speed that is being scaled, Anko needs links to the profiles she is scaling to, and so does Moegi who should probably be MHS, not At least MHS.
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Anyone can edit the sandbox with what's been proposed and agreed upon.
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I'm making edits to the sandbox right now.
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Thanks thanks
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I agree with the whole OP.
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If you can get another member of staff to look over the justifications for the Low Tier characters in the sandbox and approve them, then it should be fine to start adding them to the profiles after that.
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Those edits looks nice
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So can we start making edits to the profiles?
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I meant another member of staff besides myself and Jvando since he's the one proposing them and I helped edit them a bit.
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I'll ask Mindovin and AlexDamage3245 said:
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I agree with Jvando scaling.
It's pretty much identical to what I was going to do (But improved, because Jvando is loves!) and best of all, if I wanted a long and extremely nauseating discussion, it still helps consistency with Lariat ... But let's put that aside.
First ... Nothing in general has been refuted or added to the discussion.
Exploding lasers are not part of the "not real" points at which they are raised on the site. In fact, the exploding laser is a real counterpoint, although this point, repeating what I said in the other segment, requires the author's scientific knowledge of the mechanics of light, and it does not. And as I said before, most real lasers in ficction interact with matter differently than any real laser in RL.
Second ... It is LITERALLY stated that scientific ninja tools use real matter and this is completely different from Ninjutsu. So yes it is real.
Add to the mix the fact that it is called light itself and that we have on the back, a real example of a scientific ninja tool that uses photons to attack and there is not much discussion.
These are points that differ in almost nothing from being called "Sunbeam" with an even more dubious anti-feat.
Although I particularly prefer God Tiers at the Relativistic + level, it sounds a little more consistent to me.
It's pretty much identical to what I was going to do (But improved, because Jvando is loves!) and best of all, if I wanted a long and extremely nauseating discussion, it still helps consistency with Lariat ... But let's put that aside.
First ... Nothing in general has been refuted or added to the discussion.
Exploding lasers are not part of the "not real" points at which they are raised on the site. In fact, the exploding laser is a real counterpoint, although this point, repeating what I said in the other segment, requires the author's scientific knowledge of the mechanics of light, and it does not. And as I said before, most real lasers in ficction interact with matter differently than any real laser in RL.
Second ... It is LITERALLY stated that scientific ninja tools use real matter and this is completely different from Ninjutsu. So yes it is real.
Add to the mix the fact that it is called light itself and that we have on the back, a real example of a scientific ninja tool that uses photons to attack and there is not much discussion.
These are points that differ in almost nothing from being called "Sunbeam" with an even more dubious anti-feat.
Although I particularly prefer God Tiers at the Relativistic + level, it sounds a little more consistent to me.
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I'm also going to agree with OP
The counter argument of "It's not said to travel at speed of light" Is asking for too much when the author already specified "Beam of Light" via character.
The author & writers have set up the verse to make a very distinct difference between physical matter and energy matter based techniques. Chakra has its limitations often to what it cannot replicate, therefore ninjutsu or just anything used via scientific tools in the verse cover whatever chakra cannot.
Someone already brought up the explanations of scientific ninja tools using photons; if Delta is a damn advanced cyborg and she's shooting out beams of light why would it be anything other?
There isn't else there to prove other than nitpicking at that point, the author isn't trying to mislead the audience about how advanced the ninja world is. Everything is forward progression.
And all the arguments of the laser/beam of light not behaving like real lasers, this is a fictional verse. Sure it is safer to expect most things to behave as they do in reality, but you also have to remember these verses have different logic than our own. To always strictly follow "It must be like reality" can we go by "This their reality, there are no tricks being played" ??
The counter argument of "It's not said to travel at speed of light" Is asking for too much when the author already specified "Beam of Light" via character.
The author & writers have set up the verse to make a very distinct difference between physical matter and energy matter based techniques. Chakra has its limitations often to what it cannot replicate, therefore ninjutsu or just anything used via scientific tools in the verse cover whatever chakra cannot.
Someone already brought up the explanations of scientific ninja tools using photons; if Delta is a damn advanced cyborg and she's shooting out beams of light why would it be anything other?
There isn't else there to prove other than nitpicking at that point, the author isn't trying to mislead the audience about how advanced the ninja world is. Everything is forward progression.
And all the arguments of the laser/beam of light not behaving like real lasers, this is a fictional verse. Sure it is safer to expect most things to behave as they do in reality, but you also have to remember these verses have different logic than our own. To always strictly follow "It must be like reality" can we go by "This their reality, there are no tricks being played" ??
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Even tho it's not the point of the thread MP is rigj^
Anyways I will ask more staff to take a look at the sandbox
Anyways I will ask more staff to take a look at the sandbox
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Jvando's proposals look good.
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So now that three staff members agree with the Low-tier scailing, can I edit the profiles?
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Alright i finished the edits for the Low Tiers. Now we can start the Low Mid Tier revision.
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I do agree with Kinsey some wheat ablut that actually
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We can talk about them when we get to the High Tiers scailing.Right now we should focus on the Low Mid Tier scailing.
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Yeah that's fine we can go ahead and discuss the low mid tiers
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The discussion is being held here. There was a sandbox made for the justifications of the Low Tiers. Now that its been applied to the profiles, we can discuss the Low Mid Tier scailing.
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Super minor thing, but Dan Kato is mentioned twice in the Lower Mid Tiers list. As for the list itself, everything seems alright.
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If all of the Low Tiers have been updated, then the sandbox needs to be updated with the Low Mid tiers.
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I actually see a problem with the scaling for Kakashi(Immortal Arc) and Hidan and Kakuzu. Hidan and Kakuzu scale to Yugito in her base form.
Gold and Silver brothers do indeed scale to Tobirama as well
Gold and Silver brothers do indeed scale to Tobirama as well
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Yugito's base speed is listed as unknown.
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Her base form should be her edo body, since she doesnt perform any feats while alive. All we get is her fighting Kakuzu and Hidan for a brief second.
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A brief second was enough to force her into Biju mode. Hidan who is the slowest akatsuki member could keep up with her.
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