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Naruto Speed Revisions and Scaling

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Shouldn't Deidara be one of the fastest akatsuki members? Hidan is stated to be the slowest and Deidara scales to Hebi Sasuke and Onoki.
 
We should figure out how to scale characters and their edo forms. Some characters have feats in their edo forms that far surpass their alive feats.
 
Wrath Of Itachi said:
We should figure out how to scale characters and their edo forms. Some characters have feats in their edo forms that far surpass their alive feats.
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Personally I think some of those cases are outliers or cases where they really don't actually scale; Edo characters shouldn't be any faster than their living selves.
 
For Deidara tho it's specifically a supporting feat that he scales to Deidara. He should definitely scale to Sasuke
 
There's still some more discussion to be had aside from the points I mentioned up above about the Low Tiers.

What is the scaling chain for the High Tiers characters? It's not just good enough to say everyone scales roughly to Guy with the Eight Gates active, we need to know what the proposed scaling chains are before the ratings can be applied.
 
Guy is the baseline for it, and Kakashi (War Arc) aces to him, so characters comparable would scale to them. So characters comparable or superior to them wluld scale.
 
So you're saying it goes:

Kakashi (Immortals Arc) = Base Might Guy (War Arc) ----(x5 Multiplier)-----> Eight Gates Might Guy (War Arc) = Kakashi (War Arc)

How did Kakashi get so much faster where he was only equal to base Might Guy in the earlier arc and equal to Might Guy with the Eight Gates active in the War Arc?

Why exactly are we scaling base Might Guy to be as fast as Kakashi's feat in the Immortal Arcs?
 
I don't know how Kakashi got much faster or stronger but he did. There's no explanation in the story as to why Lakashi can suddenly spam Kamui and whatnot.

The elite Jonin (some are least) should be comparable to each other in speed as there's no evidence of some drastic discrepancy between them.
 
Kakashi couldnt even use MS + Kamui more than one time I think, he spammed both during the war
 
I'm pretty sure the reason given for him using the Kamui so much was the chakra recharge he was given by Kurama.

Can someone provide a source for scaling Kakashi to be equal to Guy with the Gates active? As I recall Guy had to save Kakashi at least once such as from Madara's attack.
 
They both arrived to save KCM Naruto at the same time in the war, and Guy says that Kakashi is his equal on multiple occasions.
 
I agree with M3X saying Kakashi got physically stronger and increased his stamina in the war arc. We don't know how it happened but it happened when we see him spamming jutsus like MS and Kamui.

There are always questions in shonen anime that never get answered. This is a famous one also. It's literally a shonen troupe
 
Damage3245 said:
Can someone provide a source for scaling Kakashi to be equal to Guy with the Gates active? As I recall Guy had to save Kakashi at least once such as from Madara's attack.
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Both fighting against the Jinchurikis and Obito, Guy was in the 6th Gate. First Gate Guy being > Kakashi is something ridiculous
 
Kakashi should have this keys in my opinion

Part I to Pain Arc | War Arc | Double Mangekyo Sharingan
 
Yeah I agree. He should be in the same tier of Sasuke and Itachi in perception at least
 
Definitely higher with sharingan. Sasuke and Itachis profiles are already examples of how Kakashi's profile should look
 
Can a proposal start being written up for what the characters new ratings will be, and what their scaling justifications are going to be?

One of the issues prelevant in the verse beforehand is unclear or faulty justifications - so I can't agree to sweeping changes like this based on grouping people in tiers without seeing what their individual justifications are going to be.

That will make it a lot easier for everyone to be on the same picture and identify is this new scaling and ratings are all correct. I'm aware this is a big thing to get written up, so we could probably have multiple people collaborating on a sandbox if necessary.
 
There is a ridiculous timeskip than spans multiple months between the declaration of the war and it happening. So we can just say that Kakashi had a super-effective training during the timeskip that increased his Chakra and stamina. (fun fact, Obito planned to fight the war with just White Zetsu not knowing Kabuto has an Edo Tensai army)
 
Ok, what as accepted so far? Want to know to start the justifications change (I will create a sandbox for this maybe)
 
You should probably start with the Low Tiers and we'll work our way up from there.
 
Ok, I will create a sandbox and everyone here can edit. I also want to create a blog with what the thread has, and then link it in the verse page
 
Is there anything else that needs to be discussed as we are drafting justifications?
 
My sandbox is open to edit the justifications. So far no one has edited yet, I just copy and pasted the current justifications
 
The sandbox looks good to me right now

The only thing that's important that we need to discuss is the justifications so we don't run into any circular reasoning and make sure it's consistent with the context of each ninja
 
So, if everyone on the Low Tier is written up there, the scaling chain goes:

Sumire reacted to Mitsuki's lightning attack --> She has MHS reactions. ---> Mitsuki fought her, so he has MHS combat speed. ---> Everyone else scales to Mitsuki by either fighting him or fighting someone else who has.

If this is the case, then the justification should probably specify that those characters specifically have MHS combat speed.
 
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