Naruto Speed Revisions and Scaling

[M3X_2.0]

You can add more justifications than add only a calc.

 

[JooCipher]

is the Juubi's laser considered a real laser or is it some sort of Bijudama?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Laser shaped Biju Dama

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Updated the sandbox.

 

[AstralKing7]

We need to discuss Deidara. He scales to Sasuke and Onoki as a supporting feat.

Deidara is actually faster than Gaara.

 

[Damage3245]

Initial observation, I'd prefer it if there were better justifications for the characters who are just listed as "Should be comparable to Shikamaru Nara". By itself that line tells us nothing about how/why they should be comparabe to Shikamaru in speed. Similar problems for Hinata and Kiba.

Baki's justification an Hayate's justifications are comparing them to each other. Circular reasoning.

Neji is being rated "At least MHS+" for being comparable to someone who is MHS+.

Dan needs better justification than just "scaling from X".

Should we actually be back-scaling Kakashi from his feat in the Immortals arc to the beginning of Part 1 Naruto? The speed amp Kakashi gets between the Immortal arc and the War arc shows that the character can apparently get a lot faster over a short period of time, and the beginning of Naruto was over three years prior to the Immortal arc.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Why don't you add the justifications by yourself?

 

[Damage3245]

Wrath of Itachi said he updated it and asked what everyone thought, so I gave my thoughts.

I don't have time currently to write up new justifications, but I can review what is there.

 

[M3X_2.0]

You can add more justifications than add only a calc.

He doesnt know how to put good justifications, I already told him but ge ignored.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I can finish it up in a few days, when I have time.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

He doesnt know how to put good justifications, I already told him but ge ignored. </div> You can also add justifications as well. I was the one that finished up the low tier justifications.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

You can also add justifications as well. I was the one that finished up the low tier justifications.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Don't even know how to quote a comment

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Don't even know how to quote a comment

What was that?

 

[AstralKing7]

We need to discuss Deidara. He scales to Sasuke and Onoki as a supporting feat.

Deidara is actually faster than Gaara.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

All we need is to updare the sandbox and we can move on.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Yeah deidara should be in a higher tier

 

[AstralKing7]

Hmm we just need to figure out a new justification for him.

Has reactions comparable to Hebi and CM2 Sasuke with his art creations being comparable in speed. Clashed and kept up with Onoki mid air?

 

[Jvando]

He would be at least MHS+ and maybe Sub-rel flight speed if we are comparing his speed with Onoki mid air

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, I don't think he actually did anything to keep up with Onoki in combat except for fly at similar speeds to him.

 

[AstralKing7]

No one said combat speed but only reaction and flight. His art creations should scale to Sasuke. His flight speed is definitely faster than Sasuke

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Alright, i believe i finally fixed the speed scailing.

 

[AstralKing7]

What does Deidara scale to exactly? Mid tier right?

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Low mid tier.

 

[AstralKing7]

Deidara should have mid tier reaction speed for being comparable to Sasuke. His travel speed scales to Sasuke and Onoki

 

[Jvando]

Alex found some issues with the Sumire calc that I'll address and recalc after I wake up. The feat will likely be downgraded but to what extend I'm unsure.

 

[AstralKing7]

Probably wouldn't be much considering the fact that it's a lightning dodging calc

 

[I_am_myself_You_are_you]

for

At least Massively Hypersonic+ likely higher

Don't forget to add Suigetsu and Jugo too.

Because he can follow Killer b

And can also upgrade to Darui and Konohamaru who can keep up with them

Darui shows that he can follow A, Konohamaru shows that he can follow Jugo and dodge attacks easily.

In additio
Ginkaku (V2)
Kinkaku (V2)

Can still be scaled with Darui

And there are also Kitsuchi who can intercept Tailed Beast Kinkaku

 

[Damage3245]

@I am myself; for some of these is that just their reaction speed?

 

[I_am_myself_You_are_you]

Yes, some are reactions and some are real speed,

but for jugo and suigetsu, not just the speed of reaction

They can hold back with their real speed.

 

[I_am_myself_You_are_you]

I'm not sure for Kinkaku and Ginkaku.

They are too slow for Darui, when Darui is serious, he can still blitz with him easily.

And even when they were Tailed Beast, Darui still managed to dodge the attack.




But Kinkaku and Ginkaku still show that he can easily deal with Samui and Cee.




And Kinkaku and Ginkaku are too weak, he is slow enough to be attacked by Choji, and slow enough to be outraged by Ino.



So I rejected and changed my mind and keep Kinkaku and Ginkaku to be MHS +.

He is not at the same level as Darui.

Kinkaku and Ginkaku is weak

 

[I_am_myself_You_are_you]

for At least Massively Hypersonic+ likely higher


1. Suigetsu Hōzuki

2. Jügo

3. Konohamaru Sarutobi

4. Kashin Koji

 

[AstralKing7]

I agree with I am ablut that


I'm also fine with the current contents of the sandbox. The only things that need a change is Sai scaling to Sasuke because a brief exchange doesn't mean anything at all because we didn't see the fight also. Even then I remember a while back that no one wanted to scale base Naruto to Momoshiki because of the brief exchange between them.


There is still the thing with Deidara as well

 

[Damage3245]

I agree that Sai probably shouldn't be scaling to Sasuke from that exchange.

I thought we stated what to do about Deidara up above?

 

[Mindovin]

>Sasuke Uchiha (Part II) (BoS)

Massively Hypersonic+ (Casually blitzed Naruto from a considerable distance. Kept up with Itachi) Key: Shippuden Start

Sasuke blitz Naruto who barely able to walk and was still extremely weak after using KN4. Sakura is in a similar state too.

Naruto: https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Naruto/0298-014.png https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Naruto/0298-015.png https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Naruto/0304-014.png https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Naruto/0304-015.png

Sakura: https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Naruto/0299-003.png https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Naruto/0299-004.png

 

[AstralKing7]

I agree that Sai probably shouldn't be scaling to Sasuke from that exchange.

I thought we stated what to do about Deidara up above?

Yeah he should scale to Sasuke who absorbed Oro not bos sasuke.

Idek why we got that many keys for Sasuke now

 

[AstralKing7]

Also Mindovin brings up a solid point tbh. This is another thing I see a problem with having two keys fro sasuke(Hebi) naruot was obviously not at his best at all.

But Sasuke never stated he got stronger or faster from absorbing Oro. He just got the abilties. His speed when he defeated Oro and after he absorbed him should still be the same

 

[Damage3245]

Shouldn't base Killer B be definitely superior both Jugo and Suigetsu? He was able to overwhelm Sasuke with his attacks.

Both of them being At least MHS+ doesn't seem right.

 

[AstralKing7]

They have feats being able to keep up with Base bee

 

[Jvando]

They should just be MHS+ then