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Naruto Revisions: Notto Disu Shitto Agen
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>Putting Hashi and Juubito at 5-C doesn't ruin the scaling at all
if u want u can ask kep/BFF what they think about 5-C hashi
but i am 100% disagree with 5-C hashi reason
after six path powerup even base naruto become too strong that constantly can keepup with even low 5-B tier
after six path powerup base naruto feats
can 1 shot 5-C Toneri with chakra enhanced strength
Base Naruto Rasengan: 1.09 Zettatons (Small planet)
can keep up with low 5-B rinnagan sasuke
can keep up with low 5-B momo and in base has enough power to powerup boruto rasengan to kill momo
so no can get scale fom naruto excluding god tier (in my opinion)
if u want u can ask kep/BFF what they think about 5-C hashi
but i am 100% disagree with 5-C hashi reason
after six path powerup even base naruto become too strong that constantly can keepup with even low 5-B tier
after six path powerup base naruto feats
can 1 shot 5-C Toneri with chakra enhanced strength
Base Naruto Rasengan: 1.09 Zettatons (Small planet)
can keep up with low 5-B rinnagan sasuke
can keep up with low 5-B momo and in base has enough power to powerup boruto rasengan to kill momo
so no can get scale fom naruto excluding god tier (in my opinion)
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LordWhis wrote:
@Omimi & TFO: Not true at all, we scale Hashirama from the fact that when Naruto temporarily obtained 100% BM by joining Yin & Yang Kurama Hashirama noted that Naruto was almost as strong as he was (in base).
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@Omimi & TFO: Not true at all, we scale Hashirama from the fact that when Naruto temporarily obtained 100% BM by joining Yin & Yang Kurama Hashirama noted that Naruto was almost as strong as he was (in base).
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@Omimi: we really shouldn't use base Naruto for anything as he is unknown & we know he can use some of the chakra of higher forms in base. Sasuke is more variable than you think too.
Also, Naruto's arm was in BSM when he one-shotted Toneri.
BSM Adult Naruto is 5-c right now, are you saying base is stronger than BSM ?
Lastly, I really don't think 18 year old Naruto are 30+ Naruto are all that comparable.
Also, Naruto's arm was in BSM when he one-shotted Toneri.
BSM Adult Naruto is 5-c right now, are you saying base is stronger than BSM ?
Lastly, I really don't think 18 year old Naruto are 30+ Naruto are all that comparable.
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You can't scale Hashirama to either Naruto or Kurama after a timeskip where even base Naruto got so strong. You can't even scale Hashirama to base Naruto from The Last. They have no direct business with each other. Kurama is only that strong because he and Naruto synchronize their power.
"Not true at all, we scale Hashirama from the fact that when Naruto temporarily obtained 100% BM by joining Yin & Yang Kurama Hashirama noted that Naruto was almost as strong as he was (in base)"
A big error here is assuming Base Teen Naruto = Base Adult Naruto, implying he stayed stagnant and didn't grow stronger at all. With Adult Naruto's feats, it's obvious that there's a super big gulf between them in strength.
I disagree 100%.
"Not true at all, we scale Hashirama from the fact that when Naruto temporarily obtained 100% BM by joining Yin & Yang Kurama Hashirama noted that Naruto was almost as strong as he was (in base)"
A big error here is assuming Base Teen Naruto = Base Adult Naruto, implying he stayed stagnant and didn't grow stronger at all. With Adult Naruto's feats, it's obvious that there's a super big gulf between them in strength.
I disagree 100%.
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Adult Naruto did stay stegnant after the Last though. Kurama said that he got rusty in Gaiden...Burning Full Fingers said:
I will say it again... Naruto is not DB. Certain things make you stronger. For example Naruto could have BSM pre Rikudo for 30 years and be vastly inferior than Rikudo Madara (any form).
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then what about this
Base Naruto Rasengan: 1.09 Zettatons (Small planet)
Not Base, amped by Hamura, calc was struck down by antavasima.
Base Naruto Rasengan: 1.09 Zettatons (Small planet)
Not Base, amped by Hamura, calc was struck down by antavasima.
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@KOMIE
...? I'm talking about Teen Naruto from Part 2 vs Adult Naruto from The Last and beyond.
I don't get what you're saying here.
...? I'm talking about Teen Naruto from Part 2 vs Adult Naruto from The Last and beyond.
I don't get what you're saying here.
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No 5-C Hashirama that is just a no.
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I still think that BSM shouldn't scale to the Juubi but ok... I forgot to say that this was said when SM Naruto sense First Form Juubi.Omimi said:
Even combining Kurama with SM wouldn't be enough to be on that Juubi's lvl but oh well...
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And what's your proof of that aside from personal opinion? You can't say Naruto is automatically weaker than them out of nothing but incredulity. They can't scale to each other. Simple. There's no implication of that. You're free to believe what you want, but we're not going to upgrade or downgrade characters based on nothing but personal belief.
Also, The Last Naruto is not rusty at all and New Era Naruto has good feats against Momoshiki.
Also, The Last Naruto is not rusty at all and New Era Naruto has good feats against Momoshiki.
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wow by this EMS Madara > base naruto /Toneri╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× said:
even thou base naruto has low 5-B feats but u think he can not go against people like EMS Madara
Base Naruto Rasengan: 1.09 Zettatons (Small planet)
can 1 shot 5-C Toneri with chakra enhanced strength
can keep up with low 5-B rinnagan sasuke
can keep up with low 5-B momo and in base has enough power to powerup boruto rasengan to kill momo
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@BFF: Boruto Naruto, I agree with you, no such thing for The Last Naruto.
Also, don't we have exactly the same stats for six paths sage mode teen & adult Naruto ?
Normally, I too would not agree with this in isolation but it works so well in terms of powerscaling & explains so much that I can't help but agree to it.
Why Juubito & Juubidara was not portrayed as that big of a gap has been something that has been niggling in the back of my head for a long time. This finally explains that.
Also, don't we have exactly the same stats for six paths sage mode teen & adult Naruto ?
Normally, I too would not agree with this in isolation but it works so well in terms of powerscaling & explains so much that I can't help but agree to it.
Why Juubito & Juubidara was not portrayed as that big of a gap has been something that has been niggling in the back of my head for a long time. This finally explains that.
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@Omimi: Please stop using that calc. It was struck down.
@Everybody: This is going nowhere, I vote we forget that The Last ever happened for now & just assume Hashi/Madara & co to be High 6-A & finish the revisions.
We will look at 5-C+ Hashirama, Juubi & co as well as Kaguya, etc. in dedicated CRTs. (If we end up making god-tiers 5-A, I'm pretty sure much less people will be against 5-C+ Juubi, hashi & co. XD)
Who's With Me ?
@Everybody: This is going nowhere, I vote we forget that The Last ever happened for now & just assume Hashi/Madara & co to be High 6-A & finish the revisions.
We will look at 5-C+ Hashirama, Juubi & co as well as Kaguya, etc. in dedicated CRTs. (If we end up making god-tiers 5-A, I'm pretty sure much less people will be against 5-C+ Juubi, hashi & co. XD)
Who's With Me ?
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The Last Naruto was super impressive. Look at the ease with which he formed and maintained his jutsu. It's better than what Pre Six Paths Naruto showed us in Part 2. Casually created a Rasenshuriken and flung it with utter ease, and can probably control it, given that Toneri was trying to dodge it by moving in different directions while flying, but it looked like it was following him. Easily formed multiple Rasengan and was using it to deflect Toneri's blasts in melee like it was nothing. BSM Naruto cannot even lay claim to things like that. Doing such things with such casualness and ease, I mean.
Madara >>>>>>>>>>>>> Obito normally. The latter would be destroyed in a straight up fight without Kamui. No questions asked. But I remember someone saying that Juubito could scale to The Last Kurama. Personally don't think I agree with this, but at least it's Juubito. Anything with Hashirama is a big nope for me.
Madara >>>>>>>>>>>>> Obito normally. The latter would be destroyed in a straight up fight without Kamui. No questions asked. But I remember someone saying that Juubito could scale to The Last Kurama. Personally don't think I agree with this, but at least it's Juubito. Anything with Hashirama is a big nope for me.
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I believe Gwynbleiddd answered you very well in the blog... Momo's power is connected to the pills he takes... Used Bijuu chakra in the Toneri Punch...Omimi said:
@Burning Full Fingers I don't see either feats or see how without Kurama or Rikudo chakra, Naruto at base is on their level. Personal or not Naruto is not DB. What I say is that characters have a limit growing stronger without help from outside sources. They need Bijuus, Rikudo Chakra etc to grow stronger. Madara lived for years and he didn't get to Kaguya lvl. Even the Sage of Six Paths didn't.
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and u need to reread what Gemmysaur and Unite My Rice said and stop downplaying
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@KOMIE
Good thing he fought against and defeated someone that would fodderize EMS Madara and Hashirama together if PIS is removed. I don't even know what DB is?
My issue is that no one should scale Post Six Paths Base Naruto to anyone from Part 2 without any implication suggesting it's fine to do so.
Good thing he fought against and defeated someone that would fodderize EMS Madara and Hashirama together if PIS is removed. I don't even know what DB is?
My issue is that no one should scale Post Six Paths Base Naruto to anyone from Part 2 without any implication suggesting it's fine to do so.
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5-C Juubito I can see.
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again the 5-A is only for Kaguya's durability.
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I am not downplaying. And please relax. There is also PIS you know? I have read what they say and I don't agree.Omimi said:
DB means DragonBall... If you mean Toneri then he used Bijuu chakra for his punch so it was not his base power. He used his Bijuu power.Burning Full Fingers said:
I would agree to 5-C Juubito. And nobody else to scale.
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Are we done guys? Are we finally done?
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Boss Madara is still waiting.
