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This should be short and Straight Forward. This little Revision is going to be about Minato and Ay (Fourth Raikage). I'll start with Ay then my next Thread will be with Minato.
For Starters, Ay is currently placed at: "7-A - At Least 7-A", but he should be placed higher given his own feats. Chronologically, Ay's first feat that we see in the series is him Hurthing Gyuki in the past, cutting off his horn and causing him to wince in pain. After which, Years later does he come into contact with Minato during the 3rd Shinobi War. This feat of his isn't contradicted either as all of his feats after this come from said Arcs/Fights:
1.)Himself vs Sasuke - In this fight, I just want to note that Sasuke himself never physically contends with Ay. the only Physical altercations with Ay and Taka were with Juugo and Suigetsu and both were with V1 Cloaked Ay.
~With Suigetsu, Ay Attempted to slam his fist onto Sasuke but was very briefly Halted by Suigetsu whom as you can see was easily overpowered. The aftermath resaulted in Suigetsu making this statement about his hands.
~With Juugo, Ay pretty much two shotted him. First Attack(Literally Punched a Hole in Him) and Second Attack.
With Sasuke, he pretty much evaded all attacks up until Liger Bomb where Sasuke used his Susanoo Ribs in Battle for the first time. The thing with this feat is, Ay damaged them. From this point on, Ay reveals his V2 Cloak for the First Time.
~Note: We don't scale characters by Chakra Level but we do by via Chakra Control (Which is a Vital Part in the Strength Ninjutsu).
That being said, when Karin first sensed Ay, She noted he had a huge Chakra and Ay was in V1 Raiton Cloak at the time. She only notes Ay to be "Biju Level" after he Amps himself with V2 Raiton Armor.
~Note: Karin (Nor any other Naruto Senser) has ever quantified a "Chakra Level" unless Chakra was in use. They can sense Chakra Signatures but haven't quantified it unless it was is use. Karin herself demonstrates this when first sensing Ay, only to Denote him being "Biju Level" after amping himself.
~We know this statement isn't just about his "Chakra Level" because of Shee's statement and what we know about Raiton Armor. Shee states, "I get it! That's why Lord Raikage ramped himself up even more...", so the chakra that Karin is sensing from Raikage and Calling "Biju Level" is what he's using to amp himself with, thus she's sensing "Biju Level" Chakra under an application of Chakra Control and not just a general "Chakra Level". And Note, the only Biju Karin has ever seen to compare Raikage to is Gyuki.
2.)Himself vs Naruto and KB - In regards to KCM Naruto, and KB, they mostly only fought him in his V1 Cloak. More Specifically, KCM Naruto only blocked his V1 Attacks (Here, Here, and Here) and oddly enough, the first time he was hurt was when he took a direct hit from V1 Ay without blocking (Shown Here). We all know that Naruto never fought V2 Ay and dodged his Punch.
~Note: Regarding Killer B. Killer B attacked Ay in Base several times:
~Side Note for Killer B: KB only had 2 fights prior to this moment, (1)Himself vs Taka and (2) Himself vs Kisame. In those Fights, Nobody in Taka could match or harm him:
1.)Suigetsu: Wasn't strong enough.
2.)Juugo: Casually off-paneled.
3.)Sasuke: Couldn't even hurt him.
Even when they all fought together, the only time KB was remotely hurt was when he took a Chidori from Sasuke. After this, it was all Biju Shenanigans. And as far as Kisame Goes, Kisame physically matched Base Killer B every time (Here, and Here) and in those instances he only stole the Lightning Chakra and the Biju Chakra. So Killer B has no Anti-Feats to use Against Ay through Taka and nor with Kisame. If anything, this is an upgrade for Kisame as in these instances, Killer B was the aggressor.
3.)5 Kage vs Madara - No Contradictions here either. When Ay first arrived, he attacked Madara in V1, Not V2 (Shown here, here & Aftermath) and we know he wasn't V2 at that moment because he notes he has to up his speed.
After that, Madara attacks and Ohnoki gets on his back. After which Madara does the flowers and knock them down. Ohnoki does the Jinton. They fight him off screen and then the Madara does the Wood Dopple Gangers and Ay as well as the others hold their own against the Susanoo Clones.
4.)5 Kage vs Spiral Zetsu - Base Ay, low on chakra, cut several wood buddha hands.
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So that being said, this is my proposal (And the Links can be added to it later):
For Starters, Ay is currently placed at: "7-A - At Least 7-A", but he should be placed higher given his own feats. Chronologically, Ay's first feat that we see in the series is him Hurthing Gyuki in the past, cutting off his horn and causing him to wince in pain. After which, Years later does he come into contact with Minato during the 3rd Shinobi War. This feat of his isn't contradicted either as all of his feats after this come from said Arcs/Fights:
- Kage Summit Arc (Himself vs MS Sasuke)
- 4th Shinobi War Arc (Himself vs KCM Naruto/Killer B | 5 Kage vs Madara | 5 Kage vs Spiral Zetsu (Off-Panel Besides 1 Feat)
1.)Himself vs Sasuke - In this fight, I just want to note that Sasuke himself never physically contends with Ay. the only Physical altercations with Ay and Taka were with Juugo and Suigetsu and both were with V1 Cloaked Ay.
~With Suigetsu, Ay Attempted to slam his fist onto Sasuke but was very briefly Halted by Suigetsu whom as you can see was easily overpowered. The aftermath resaulted in Suigetsu making this statement about his hands.
~With Juugo, Ay pretty much two shotted him. First Attack(Literally Punched a Hole in Him) and Second Attack.
With Sasuke, he pretty much evaded all attacks up until Liger Bomb where Sasuke used his Susanoo Ribs in Battle for the first time. The thing with this feat is, Ay damaged them. From this point on, Ay reveals his V2 Cloak for the First Time.
~Note: We don't scale characters by Chakra Level but we do by via Chakra Control (Which is a Vital Part in the Strength Ninjutsu).
That being said, when Karin first sensed Ay, She noted he had a huge Chakra and Ay was in V1 Raiton Cloak at the time. She only notes Ay to be "Biju Level" after he Amps himself with V2 Raiton Armor.
~Note: Karin (Nor any other Naruto Senser) has ever quantified a "Chakra Level" unless Chakra was in use. They can sense Chakra Signatures but haven't quantified it unless it was is use. Karin herself demonstrates this when first sensing Ay, only to Denote him being "Biju Level" after amping himself.
~We know this statement isn't just about his "Chakra Level" because of Shee's statement and what we know about Raiton Armor. Shee states, "I get it! That's why Lord Raikage ramped himself up even more...", so the chakra that Karin is sensing from Raikage and Calling "Biju Level" is what he's using to amp himself with, thus she's sensing "Biju Level" Chakra under an application of Chakra Control and not just a general "Chakra Level". And Note, the only Biju Karin has ever seen to compare Raikage to is Gyuki.
2.)Himself vs Naruto and KB - In regards to KCM Naruto, and KB, they mostly only fought him in his V1 Cloak. More Specifically, KCM Naruto only blocked his V1 Attacks (Here, Here, and Here) and oddly enough, the first time he was hurt was when he took a direct hit from V1 Ay without blocking (Shown Here). We all know that Naruto never fought V2 Ay and dodged his Punch.
~Note: Regarding Killer B. Killer B attacked Ay in Base several times:
- First Time - Ay was unaffected and actually Hurt Him.
- Second Time - Ay was still unfazed but KB managed to Match His Strength.
- Third Time - This time, Ay seems to power up to V2 but KB managed to Equal and Over Power him.
~Side Note for Killer B: KB only had 2 fights prior to this moment, (1)Himself vs Taka and (2) Himself vs Kisame. In those Fights, Nobody in Taka could match or harm him:
1.)Suigetsu: Wasn't strong enough.
2.)Juugo: Casually off-paneled.
3.)Sasuke: Couldn't even hurt him.
Even when they all fought together, the only time KB was remotely hurt was when he took a Chidori from Sasuke. After this, it was all Biju Shenanigans. And as far as Kisame Goes, Kisame physically matched Base Killer B every time (Here, and Here) and in those instances he only stole the Lightning Chakra and the Biju Chakra. So Killer B has no Anti-Feats to use Against Ay through Taka and nor with Kisame. If anything, this is an upgrade for Kisame as in these instances, Killer B was the aggressor.
3.)5 Kage vs Madara - No Contradictions here either. When Ay first arrived, he attacked Madara in V1, Not V2 (Shown here, here & Aftermath) and we know he wasn't V2 at that moment because he notes he has to up his speed.
After that, Madara attacks and Ohnoki gets on his back. After which Madara does the flowers and knock them down. Ohnoki does the Jinton. They fight him off screen and then the Madara does the Wood Dopple Gangers and Ay as well as the others hold their own against the Susanoo Clones.
4.)5 Kage vs Spiral Zetsu - Base Ay, low on chakra, cut several wood buddha hands.
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So that being said, this is my proposal (And the Links can be added to it later):
- Ay: "At least 7-A, Possibly 6-C (Damaged Sasuke's Susano'o Ribcage in V1 Raiton Cloak) | 6-C, Possibly Higher (Smashed Sasuke's Susano'o Ribcage, hurt Gyuki in the past and held his own against 5 Susano'o Wood Clones with v2 Ration Cloak) | 6-C, Possibly Higher (Faster and Stronger than before with Ohoki Lightening his Body)".
