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I have no real opinion on the upscaling, I'd just rather not have to upgrade them to Low 5-B, just to change them back.
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Naruto Low 5-B Upscale CRT
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I don’t really have anything to say about upscaling either way, but I agree with the sentiment. If @Damage3245 is gonna make a thread to deal with upscaling, then this should be placed on hold until that’s dealt with cause having to reopen all those pages and fix the tiers after changes had been made would be annoying for me.
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I was originally planning on making that thread a lot later, but I'll move it forwards since this is an important issue.
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So it's war then
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This isn't the thread for that, so I won't be arguing about it here.
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We don't need statements. Six Paths Naruto as a teenager has fought with stronger enemies than Toneri. unless you want to argue that Toneri is stronger than anyone in the Original series in which case nearly every Boruto Villain upscales and through statements would round back scale about to their Teenager Versions anyway.
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That's a different situation to what I was complaining about.
Scaling Shippuden SPSM Naruto to a stronger character is fine.
Scaling Shippuden SPSM Naruto to be stronger than the Last BSM Naruto "because it's a stronger form" is not fine.
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The difference seems to be very pedantic.
Naruto is fighting characters that scale above Toneri and therefore BSM Naruto.
then the logical conclusion would be that Naruto's Six Paths form as a teenager is the stronger transformation though.
I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that on his page it would write "Low 5-B because stronger than BSM mode" it would be pretty much the same as it currently is.
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It may seem that way, but it's an important difference IMO.
Depends on how it is written on the profiles, as you said.
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In Naruto, Strength ≠ AP.
We won't act like Naruto didn't bop around Kaguya but her true strength was in her hax.
And saying anyone has more AP than Toneri who was a purely AP fighter compared to these hax characters are hilarious.
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So what are you saying?
TCM Toneri > than all other Tier 5 Naruto Villains in physical stats?
TCM Toneri > than all other Tier 5 Naruto Villains in physical stats?
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Toneri is the strongest also toneri gets his attack overpowered then gets one shot by 50% BSM the last naruto
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While that might be true to some extent, I literally have linked all the instances where they match or overpower their opponent physically at the start of this whole thread.
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The Naruto that focuses most of his chakra into his fist and made a crater in the moon via punching, the one who applied more force than in his BSM mode while in base by practicing a baby ass concept
Who said physical stats? I said AP.
Kinshiki, doubt it.
DodoShiki who struggles with Darui, yes.
Kaguya who is weak to Taijutsu, yes.
Madara, Idek.
Isshiki, no since Isshiki’s physicals were stated to be strong
Just remember, Naruto did more force in base with a chakra amped punch than in BSM without super amping it.
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Apparently KingTempest thinks Biju Sage Mode Naruto without his full power can one-shot Kaguya and Madara
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That could just mean he held back in BSM since he never landed a fatal blow in the whole fight up until that last point. I mean we have seen Naruto use his stronger form (SPSM), and still held back against Delta. Even when the fight ended, it was clear that didn't really intend to kill Toneri.
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I think you mean "Weak in Taijutsu" because she's not skilled in CQC
Saying she's "Weak to Taijutsu" implies that punches and kicks harm her more easily than any other attack
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Before I reply is this really the argument you want to make.
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Yes they do, which is why she took 9 Senjutsu amped bijuu rasenshurikens but lost to punches, all juubi jins are.
Off panel and off guard.
He didn’t hold back, he just focused chakra that time, which he doesn’t usually do, which is why his transformation just shut off and it went around his hand.
Sending his bijuu our doesn’t make him weaker, and this is a future Naruto with a different skill set after 2 years of training.Apparently KingTempest thinks Biju Sage Mode Naruto without his full power can one-shot Kaguya and Madara
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explain to me what his different skill set is. other than having a superior AP boost.
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When is it stated that Juubi Jins have a weakness to Taijutsu?
When has punch or kick done more harm to Kaguya?
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Apparently being able to fly is one of them
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If you genuinely think that Toneri >Kaguya
Then good luck arguing against base Naruto> Six paths Naruto.
Then good luck arguing against base Naruto> Six paths Naruto.
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ahh yes remember how flying completely changes the fundamentals of how his Bijuu chakra distribution works.
even though everything else is the same.
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Other than getting the other half of Kurama and Hashirama Cells, Training, and seeing BSM post Hagoromo Amp.
"Shrugs"
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ill be following the thread but won't comment until sometime later in the week.
Busy this side.
but I'm excited to hear the Toneri>Kaguya scaling stuff though
Busy this side.
but I'm excited to hear the Toneri>Kaguya scaling stuff though
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Here
Ninjutsu
Amaterasu. Rasenshurikens.Amaterasu got absorbed and Rasenshurikens sent her flying with no injuries.
Taijutsu
Punch 1. Punch 2 (the outcome). Punch 3.Punch 1 got her knocked back with Zetsu commenting on its effectiveness.
Punch 2 sent her into the rocks and she has the exclamation mark next to her, signifying shock.
Punch 3 broke her horn.
His rasengan can be blasted now (The Last Movie and Novel).
Can throw Golden One Handed Rasenshurikens regardless of the form that he is in (The Last).
His rasengans explode now.
He can fly in Bijuu Sage Mode, something previously exclusive to Six Paths Senjutsu (The Last).
Presumably could gain Sage Mode faster, as he ran through the tower and gained Sage Mode, something that he needed to stand still for during the war and prior.
Can focus chakra easier into his fist to the point where his arm is glowing orange, then the punch lets out a large shockwave and send the opponent flying at the speed of a bullet (The Last Movie and Novel).
Can use 1 handed seals. (Kakashi Hiden).
Can throw Golden One Handed Rasenshurikens regardless of the form that he is in (The Last).
His rasengans explode now.
He can fly in Bijuu Sage Mode, something previously exclusive to Six Paths Senjutsu (The Last).
Presumably could gain Sage Mode faster, as he ran through the tower and gained Sage Mode, something that he needed to stand still for during the war and prior.
Can focus chakra easier into his fist to the point where his arm is glowing orange, then the punch lets out a large shockwave and send the opponent flying at the speed of a bullet (The Last Movie and Novel).
Can use 1 handed seals. (Kakashi Hiden).
Tsunade states that he's stronger (Kakashi Hiden).
Has a prosthetic arm made out of Hashirama cells. A few of them amped Danzo's physical energy.
Read above.
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I realize i was wrong....
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Intelligent being.
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That’s not stating it’s a weakness, it’s the only thing that can affect them.
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Rasenshuriken specifically is what caused Kaguya to start her big biju bomb so I would think that its clearly illustrated that all those attacks did a lot of damage to her.
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Fair enough.
Expansive truthseeking Orb* not Biju Bomb.
No, it just triggered the bijuu inside her.
It just had a reaction, it didn't do damage. Explicitly stated on the next page.
Naruto was the same one that said what works best on her is tricks and Taijutsu.
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Sure, that's one part of the effect of the attack but seeing as she's also shown worse for wear (actively more scruffed up and damaged) the attacks also did damage. And just becase something is more effective that doesn't mean other means aren't also usable.
The big issue everyone has with ninjutsu for this fight isn't that it doesn't do damage, it's that ninjutsu is absorbed due to the rinnegan.
The big issue everyone has with ninjutsu for this fight isn't that it doesn't do damage, it's that ninjutsu is absorbed due to the rinnegan.
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